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Feb 21, 2010 -- 3:06PM, raul wrote:

And as said, non-Jund decks WON more then Jund decks.  Top 8 includes 6 draft rounds which makes the results meaningless.  There's a deck in the top 8 that only went 6-4 in the standard rounds.  Even if that deck wins if you'd rather play a 6-4 deck over a 10-0 deck that didn't make top 8 thanks to 0-6'ing the draft you obviously aren't interested playing what actually wins.


You need to look at the full records minus draft which is what people who want to

A) play to win
or
B) test to beat it so that they win

do.

But hey, keep deluding yourself.  It's only mathematical facts your arguing against.

I mean, Jund is obviously still good but it's no Affinity or Necro putting 7 ppl into the top.

If this were an isolated incident, I would be inclined to agree with you.  As it is, I can't even believe this is up for debate.  Jund has been dominating the format for months.  This tourney just continues to show that playing it gives you a high likelihood of posting good enough numbers to make top 8.  Because again, thats what matters. 

Once you are in, it is good enough to beat the other top decks and post the win.  Even when it is the most hated on deck in the format.

Wanna argue any of that?

Feb 21, 2010 -- 3:20PM, DreadsReturn wrote:

Feb 21, 2010 -- 3:06PM, raul wrote:

And as said, non-Jund decks WON more then Jund decks.  Top 8 includes 6 draft rounds which makes the results meaningless.  There's a deck in the top 8 that only went 6-4 in the standard rounds.  Even if that deck wins if you'd rather play a 6-4 deck over a 10-0 deck that didn't make top 8 thanks to 0-6'ing the draft you obviously aren't interested playing what actually wins.


You need to look at the full records minus draft which is what people who want to

A) play to win
or
B) test to beat it so that they win

do.

But hey, keep deluding yourself.  It's only mathematical facts your arguing against.

I mean, Jund is obviously still good but it's no Affinity or Necro putting 7 ppl into the top.

If this were an isolated incident, I would be inclined to agree with you.  As it is, I can't even believe this is up for debate.  Jund has been dominating the format for months.  This tourney just continues to show that playing it gives you a high likelihood of posting good enough numbers to make top 8.  Because again, thats what matters. 

Once you are in, it is good enough to beat the other top decks and post the win.  Even when it is the most hated on deck in the format.

Wanna argue any of that?

You weren't arguing it was good enough, you were saying it was overdominating.  I said it wasn't and gave mathematical proof.  Now you're backpedaling to something I wasn't argueing against.

Fact still is if you are going to play in a standard tournament tomorrow Jund is a good choice but most of the decks that went 9-1 will be better choices since 9-1 > 7-3.

Feb 21, 2010 -- 3:23PM, BoolerSux wrote:

sorry but the money is all that matters & 1st & 2nd went to the most degenerate deck since affinity so.....  and also you are looking at the wrong percentages.  day 1 jund percentage 27.1% day 2 jund percentage 30.0% top 8 percentage 37.5% top 4 percentage 50% top 2 percentage 100%.  so basically even though it's been known for almost years now that jund cascade is the deck to beat, it's percentage still increased all the way through the tourney.  also don't take my word for it even the japanese have said, nothing beats jund consistently.  it'd be amazing to see what those jund numbers were if the people who didn't run putrid leech didn't make that mistake.

*facepalm*

I don't even know where to start with this drivel.  I think I'm done with this thread.  Argueing with people who think a 7-3 deck (and a 6-4) matters more then a 9-1 or 10-0 deck just cause the person piloting it also went 6-0 in draft is obviously useless as you people just aren't listening to simple result math.

Chapin went 8-1-1 with UW control, Nassif went 8-2 with the same deck and another person also went 7-3 or better.  The deck destroys Jund but hey it's obviously much worse then the Jund deck that only went 6-4 right cause it won the whole thing.  Great logic there.

Yes Jund is good, yes it's the guy to beat, no it is not dominating.  I've played during combo-winter, during play necro or turbostasis only and during affinity.  Those were dominating.

But again, rational argument is obviously useless since all you people can come up with is "But it w0n the tournament and that's all that matters!!!!!1111oneoneone"

Byebye.

*facepalm*