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3 years ago  ::  Feb 21, 2010 - 2:36PM #61
raul
Date Joined: Oct 22, 2009
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The stream is working great for me, in fact, smoother and better than it ever has in the past. Kudos to WotC for a great stream!




Same here, absolutely fantastic stream.

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3 years ago  ::  Feb 21, 2010 - 2:38PM #62
raul
Date Joined: Oct 22, 2009
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Feb 21, 2010 -- 2:32PM, Cugginenter wrote:

Jund on Jund final = kthxbai

Let's see... 7 aggro decks in the top 8. Doesn't seem like a balanced format to me.




Feb 21, 2010 -- 2:35PM, BoolerSux wrote:

seriously jund vs jund?  nice format? 




Making statements about the format based on the top 8 is ridiculous since these people played 6 rounds of draft.  Some of these standard decks only went 6-4.

When you look at the 8-2 or better decks the format is much much wider with Zvi's Mythic deck, Chapin's control deck, boros etc etc.

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3 years ago  ::  Feb 21, 2010 - 2:38PM #63
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Date Joined: Aug 2, 2006
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Give us Cryptic Command back!! That would be awesome, Jace the Mind Sculptor + Cryptic = Blue awesomeness
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3 years ago  ::  Feb 21, 2010 - 2:40PM #64
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Date Joined: Aug 10, 2009
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uhhhhh. that card is great in grix control.
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3 years ago  ::  Feb 21, 2010 - 2:40PM #65
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Feb 21, 2010 -- 2:35PM, BoolerSux wrote:

seriously jund vs jund?  nice format? 



There were how many different deck types in the top 8?

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3 years ago  ::  Feb 21, 2010 - 2:45PM #66
DreadsReturn
Date Joined: Jun 28, 2009
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Feb 21, 2010 -- 2:40PM, blisterguy wrote:

Feb 21, 2010 -- 2:35PM, BoolerSux wrote:

seriously jund vs jund?  nice format? 



There were how many different deck types in the top 8?





Great meaningless statement, but lets look at real numbers:

1/3 of total field - Jund
40% of Top 8 - Jund
Winner (the only one that really matters) - Jund


Yeah, I'd say its still the boogeyman.  Whats even more interesting is that all the "pros" choose not to play Jund because they are sick of it and what happens?  7 new top 8ers and a new PT winner running a simplistic deck that just wins.


Format = broken

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3 years ago  ::  Feb 21, 2010 - 2:56PM #67
raul
Date Joined: Oct 22, 2009
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Feb 21, 2010 -- 2:45PM, DreadsReturn wrote:


Feb 21, 2010 -- 2:40PM, blisterguy wrote:

Feb 21, 2010 -- 2:35PM, BoolerSux wrote:

seriously jund vs jund?  nice format? 



There were how many different deck types in the top 8?





Great meaningless statement, but lets look at real numbers:

1/3 of total field - Jund
40% of Top 8 - Jund
Winner (the only one that really matters) - Jund


Yeah, I'd say its still the boogeyman.  Whats even more interesting is that all the "pros" choose not to play Jund because they are sick of it and what happens?  7 new top 8ers and a new PT winner running a simplistic deck that just wins.


Format = broken




This post is so wrong I don't know where to start.  Jund was just under 1/4 of the field, not 1/3rd.  Not 40% of the top 8 either but close, 5 different decks out of the 8 though.

And your last statement is just loltastic.  Winner the only one that matters?  Boggemers for example even if he wins is only 10-2-1 with his Jund deck including top 8 matches, LSV was 11-1 so LSV's deck had a better record with one round less played, even Chapin went 8-1-1 over Boggemers 7-2-1 in the swiss.

So saying the top 8 winner's deck is the only one that matters is absolutely misinformed and statistically wrong.  Once the best performing Standard rounds only decks get posted we'll be able to say anything.  And from what I can see no Jund deck had 8-1-1 or better.

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3 years ago  ::  Feb 21, 2010 - 2:58PM #68
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:shrug: Maybe you want to play a deck that posts wins but doesn't get there.  I want to know what wins because I will either;

A.) play it to win
or
B.) test to beat it so that I can win

Numbers were a little off but not going for statistical perfection here.  Anyways, it was an interesting tourney but very dissapointing to see this final.
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3 years ago  ::  Feb 21, 2010 - 3:06PM #69
raul
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Feb 21, 2010 -- 2:58PM, DreadsReturn wrote:

:shrug: Maybe you want to play a deck that posts wins but doesn't get there.  I want to know what wins because I will either;

A.) play it to win
or
B.) test to beat it so that I can win

Numbers were a little off but not going for statistical perfection here.  Anyways, it was an interesting tourney but very dissapointing to see this final.




And as said, non-Jund decks WON more then Jund decks.  Top 8 includes 6 draft rounds which makes the results meaningless.  There's a deck in the top 8 that only went 6-4 in the standard rounds.  Even if that deck wins if you'd rather play a 6-4 deck over a 10-0 deck that didn't make top 8 thanks to 0-6'ing the draft you obviously aren't interested playing what actually wins.


You need to look at the full records minus draft which is what people who want to

A) play to win
or
B) test to beat it so that they win

do.

But hey, keep deluding yourself.  It's only mathematical facts your arguing against.

I mean, Jund is obviously still good but it's no Affinity or Necro putting 7 ppl into the top.

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3 years ago  ::  Feb 21, 2010 - 3:14PM #70
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Anyone know if it's possible to make the web stream player go full screen?
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