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4 years ago ::
Oct 15, 2009 - 11:24PM
#31
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Date Joined:
Nov 11, 2008
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I love playing mono green beatdown in singleton. It's a lot of fun to play aggressive creatures and attack, just like when we all started playing 'back in the day'. It's also a blast to beat people when they play all sorts of money rares and slower control cards. Clearly here what cards you have access to doesn't matter, so you can use the more powerful money rares, Tarmogoyf, etc. I'd still recommend you build a smashy green deck and try it out, some of the cards I use for a 60c singleton deck are below. Either way, have fun and good luck. Also, suspend spells are very good! Blanchwood Armor, Call of the Herd
Civic Wayfinder, Drumhunter
Dryad Sophisticate, Durkwood Baloth
Earthbrawn, Elvish Harbinger
Farseek, Giant Dustwasp
Gloomwidow, Greater Good
Harmonize, Hunting Triad
Imperious Perfect, Incremental Growth
Indrik Stomphowler, Jugan, the Rising Star
Kitchen Finks, Kodama of the North Tree
Krosan Tusker, Loxodon Warhammer
Rampant Growth, Sakura-Tribe Elder
Scryb Ranger, Selesnya Guildmage
Spearbreaker Behemoth, Spectral Force
Squall Line MTGO username:Elminister
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4 years ago ::
Oct 15, 2009 - 11:57PM
#32
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Date Joined:
Jun 28, 2006
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Scouting report: Just played a match versus Aaron Forsythe, and he's got a UW artifact/cogs/mindslaver possibly with lots of digging, and a few counters. No splashes. Humility keeps the aggro threat down for the slow roll kill. I suspect that he might have Open the Vaults in there too, with some way to dump them into the yard. This is just a hunch tho. EDIT: It's Painter/Stone in a UW shell.
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4 years ago ::
Oct 16, 2009 - 12:13AM
#33
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Date Joined:
Jun 14, 2006
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I've been mocking up similar decks. You're totally right that UWx is the way to go over UBx, for the tutoring and all the wrath effects at 4-5 mana. Severane/Belcher, Painter/Stone, Tezzeret, and Slaver lock are four good win conditions. For UGx storm, I would suggest folding in Enduring Ideal, Helm of Awakening/Top, and Tooth and Nail. Ideal and Tooth both require mana ramp, and are one card combos. The enchantments from Ideal can be useful if in hand (like Moat, or Propaganda). Helm of Awakening helps combo out, and Top is great with all the shuffle effects. What does the black splash in Goblins get you, and how stably can you get that splash? Boggart Birth Right, Wort, Deathraiders, and Terminate? There are a decent amount of RB dual lands, but Gobbos probably wants untapped lands the first two turns. I think RGW zoo is probably better than RG, since you get a lot of nice W multicolored cards (Helix, Brion, Finks, Seedcradle, Hierarch, Qasali, etc.), and RW/GW spells/lands aren't going to be useful elsewhere
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4 years ago ::
Oct 16, 2009 - 12:16AM
#34
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Date Joined:
Mar 31, 2005
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wow the decks are really coming along! Are you sure that black really adds anything to goblins? The red list looked solid and you lose valakut which seems bad. But if you're going to play black does patriarch's bidding add anything or are there too few goblins? Incidentally, a couple of other things for goblins:
- Shouldn't you be using Goblin Ruinblaster instead of Avalanche Riders (or maybe both?
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- Goblin Bushwhacker has been insane in our 60card paper version here. Could you try putting it in?
- Quest for pure flame may be a terrible top deck but it seems a cool fit in the goblins deck, enabling a win the turn after it comes into play in most cases (and a turn 3 kill in the right scenario!)
Some other card choices for the other decks:
- Until you went to the wildfire combo route I was going to suggest Luminarch ascension would be a good fit for WU. Not so sure now
- Actually, I was going to suggest Counterbalance too.. oh well
- Would magosi, the waterveil work in the UG version? (or even either the UWR and UB versions) in slow reactive decks it's really good.
- Would Eldrazi monument be any good in the aggressive decks? WW for example?
- Archmage ascension seems like to could be really good in UB deck (or maybe the Crosis deck?)
- I love me some Bathe in Light in the WW. Is it worth a slot in the sideboad?
- Landbind ritual seems like it might make a good WW sideboard card too
- Did you consider armored ascension in the WW?
- Is spell snare that good in this format? just a curious question really.
Right that'll do for now..
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4 years ago ::
Oct 16, 2009 - 8:58AM
#35
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Date Joined:
Nov 30, 2005
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Great comments guys. Keep it up. I don't have time atm to make some of the suggested changes, but will do so later. There was a major shift though that really helped 3 decks a ton. I completely changed the structure of both control decks and all of a sudden I was able to give RG a much better dual selection as well as enough to support a small white splash. This is what I did: I scrapped Ub control all together and turned it into a Crosis deck that only has light countermagic to help stop non creature threats. This took the black splash out of goblins, which didn't add too much anyways and didn't help the RG deck like I thought it would. this then allowed me to make the UW deck a solid heavy counter control/combo deck as it should have been in the first place. I can't even explain how much mor eexcited I am about the RGw mana base now and the UWR deck was just too top heavy and Crosis is a much better deck. This is the link to the lists for anyone interested. I have the unused decks thown over to the far right. I still need to organize the rock deck and then Zimbardo and I will begin culling cards and flesh out the mana with basics. I will also start to incorporate comments. NO WotC Eyes! spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=tCDFDfiJ...
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4 years ago ::
Oct 16, 2009 - 9:12AM
#36
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Date Joined:
Oct 16, 2009
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I'm happy to help the group with testing when the lists are somewhat settled. I have most of the cards so just let me know. Username online is: gimmie
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4 years ago ::
Oct 16, 2009 - 9:21AM
#37
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Date Joined:
Oct 16, 2009
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First thought: The crosis deck could incorporate the Helm/Line combo.
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4 years ago ::
Oct 16, 2009 - 9:41AM
#38
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Date Joined:
Mar 31, 2005
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First thought: The crosis deck could incorporate the Helm/Line combo.
That's an interesting thought. Unfortunately the problem with that is the lack of card search. Currently, all the card searching is the UW deck (fabricate, idyllic tutor etc). Both decks would have to be changed quite a bit and it would weaken the UW considerably. The combo could fit in the UW (using a black splash) but it's already got two combos in (see Platipus' earlier post).
But you've got me thinking, I wonder though if the trinket mage package wouldn't sit better in the UW build. With top in UW you could easily add the counterbalance for additional counterspell scaryness! If you leave the trinket package in Crosis (sorry I'm modern, can't help but think of it as Grixis ), maybe Engineered explosives should go in there too? It could at least get more out of it than the UW can.
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4 years ago ::
Oct 16, 2009 - 10:00AM
#39
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Date Joined:
Oct 16, 2009
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First thought: The crosis deck could incorporate the Helm/Line combo.
That's an interesting thought. Unfortunately the problem with that is the lack of card search. Currently, all the card searching is the UW deck (fabricate, idyllic tutor etc). Both decks would have to be changed quite a bit and it would weaken the UW considerably. The combo could fit in the UW (using a black splash) but it's already got two combos in (see Platipus' earlier post).
But you've got me thinking, I wonder though if the trinket mage package wouldn't sit better in the UW build. With top in UW you could easily add the counterbalance for additional counterspell scaryness!
If you leave the trinket package in Crosis (sorry I'm modern, can't help but think of it as Grixis ), maybe Engineered explosives should go in there too? It could at least get more out of it than the UW can.
Yeah, I figured with Diabolic Tutor, Clutch it might be enough since both cards are decent on their own. Dimir House Guard isn't being used and he searchs up either also. Personal Tutor is also not being used and can chain into Diabolic. I'm certainly not trying to shoehorn it in where it doesn't fit, just offering suggestions.
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4 years ago ::
Oct 16, 2009 - 10:09AM
#40
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Date Joined:
Nov 30, 2005
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First thought: The crosis deck could incorporate the Helm/Line combo.
That's an interesting thought. Unfortunately the problem with that is the lack of card search. Currently, all the card searching is the UW deck (fabricate, idyllic tutor etc). Both decks would have to be changed quite a bit and it would weaken the UW considerably. The combo could fit in the UW (using a black splash) but it's already got two combos in (see Platipus' earlier post).
But you've got me thinking, I wonder though if the trinket mage package wouldn't sit better in the UW build. With top in UW you could easily add the counterbalance for additional counterspell scaryness!
If you leave the trinket package in Crosis (sorry I'm modern, can't help but think of it as Grixis ), maybe Engineered explosives should go in there too? It could at least get more out of it than the UW can.
Yeah, I figured with Diabolic Tutor, Clutch it might be enough since both cards are decent on their own. Dimir House Guard isn't being used and he searchs up either also. Personal Tutor is also not being used and can chain into Diabolic.
I'm certainly not trying to shoehorn it in where it doesn't fit, just offering suggestions.
Actually I just added Personal Tutor to UG Storm. Helm/Line doesn't really fit the Crosis deck and both halves are pretty crapy on their own. Diabolic Tutor and Clutch are also on my questionable list of cards if I need to cut from the Crosis deck. The reason that explosives is not in Crosis is that the Crosis deck will need a significant amount of Artifact Mana and the most common thing to set explosive at is X=2. The UW deck can find it with Tolaria West and can recur it via Academy Ruins. I have been debating heavily on Top. I like Trinket Mage better in Crosis as the UW deck does not want to tap out often, but Trinket does find Grind Stone, which is why I added Dizzy Spell to UW, sinc eit also fetches Enlightened and Guilty Conscience. Future Sight I either wanted in crosis or in UG Strom, but Crosis needed some card draw and the presence of Future Sight and Trinket Mage in Crosis Tilted my placement for top there. Also the UW deck will end up with fewer shuffle effects most likely since it won't run as many fetches as Crosis. So that was my logic on some of those things. Feel free to counter back once seeing that side of it. Also Counterbalance is not very good in this format, you are lucky to counter one thing and break even on card advantage.
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