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9 months ago  ::  Aug 28, 2012 - 8:14AM #51
Chaos_Kitten
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Aug 28, 2012 -- 7:31AM, Pauper wrote:

Aug 28, 2012 -- 1:53AM, ShakaUVM wrote:

Aug 7, 2012 -- 8:36AM, Pauper wrote:

I'd be fine with banning warforged, though.


They were called Gondsmen.




2) Gondsmen were pretty much isolated to Lantan, which was destroyed during the Spellplague, so even if you do equate Gondsmen with warforged, it's hard to describe how so many of them survive but so little of the rest of Lantan's technology did.

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A Gondsman, unlike a steam engine, is an excellent swimmer?  Laughing

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9 months ago  ::  Aug 28, 2012 - 11:11AM #52
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Aug 28, 2012 -- 8:14AM, Chaos_Kitten wrote:

A Gondsman, unlike a steam engine, is an excellent swimmer? 




Or, at least, was more capable of walking along the ocean floor until he/she/it reached the mainland. Wink

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9 months ago  ::  Aug 28, 2012 - 1:36PM #53
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Aug 28, 2012 -- 7:31AM, Pauper wrote:

2) Gondsmen were pretty much isolated to Lantan, which was destroyed during the Spellplague, so even if you do equate Gondsmen with warforged, it's hard to describe how so many of them survive but so little of the rest of Lantan's technology did.


My Gondsman (in LFR) survived the explosion, wandered around underneath the oceans for a long time, before finally emerging back on land in Baldur's Gate to resume his life as a living sewage pump.

He's 24th level now, and refuses to worship any deities other than Gond, due to the flavor text that says that if any Gondsman does so, they collapse into a lifeless heap.

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9 months ago  ::  Aug 28, 2012 - 2:28PM #54
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Aug 28, 2012 -- 1:36PM, ShakaUVM wrote:

Aug 28, 2012 -- 7:31AM, Pauper wrote:

2) Gondsmen were pretty much isolated to Lantan, which was destroyed during the Spellplague, so even if you do equate Gondsmen with warforged, it's hard to describe how so many of them survive but so little of the rest of Lantan's technology did.


My Gondsman (in LFR) survived the explosion, wandered around underneath the oceans for a long time, before finally emerging back on land in Baldur's Gate to resume his life as a living sewage pump.




Yours did, and good for him.

I suspect he had a lot of company on that journey across the ocean floor, though.

Now if you'll excuse me, I need to level up my pixie werewolf vampire.

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9 months ago  ::  Aug 28, 2012 - 2:58PM #55
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Aug 28, 2012 -- 2:28PM, Pauper wrote:

Yours did, and good for him.


If you're going to get all ruffled about it, there's plenty more things to express disbelief about in the campaign. Like the fact that there's apparently hundreds of Epic-level characters from each region all running around doing the exact same quest as each other.

Fact is, Warforged fit into FR just fine. As do pixies, werewolves, and vampires. They all appear in the canon, and so aren't worth getting ruffled over.



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9 months ago  ::  Aug 28, 2012 - 7:33PM #56
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Aug 28, 2012 -- 7:31AM, Pauper wrote:

2) Gondsmen were pretty much isolated to Lantan, which was destroyed during the Spellplague, so even if you do equate Gondsmen with warforged, it's hard to describe how so many of them survive but so little of the rest of Lantan's technology did.


How do you define "many"? You could just as well assume that your character happened to just met every surving gondsmen. For most people who play at their FLGS joint that should come to less than a dozen.

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9 months ago  ::  Aug 28, 2012 - 11:36PM #57
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Aug 6, 2012 -- 4:16PM, kilpatds wrote:

Like finalizing the meta-org document.
Updating the rules doc.
Releasing moar modules (especially those that have been delayed) 



I'm with Kilpatds. Regardless of how I feel about Dark Sun themes and the specific "Hey, You guys can refluff Themes however you want to fit your games" from WotC. Lets not clutter Sean Molley's Desk with something so complicated and time consuming as adding another bullet point and a whole sentence to the "Recent Campaign Rulings" section.

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9 months ago  ::  Aug 29, 2012 - 8:13AM #58
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Aug 28, 2012 -- 2:58PM, ShakaUVM wrote:

Like the fact that there's apparently hundreds of Epic-level characters from each region all running around doing the exact same quest as each other.


I like to think there's just one group of epic characters, myself.

At some point an author was writing something like 'And I guess if they fail, another epic group comes along and fixes it?' and I really didn't like that theory. I want it to just be that one group. Even if the faces get a little fuzzy from time to time.

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9 months ago  ::  Aug 29, 2012 - 8:18AM #59
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Aug 28, 2012 -- 7:33PM, Mirtek wrote:

Aug 28, 2012 -- 7:31AM, Pauper wrote:

2) Gondsmen were pretty much isolated to Lantan, which was destroyed during the Spellplague, so even if you do equate Gondsmen with warforged, it's hard to describe how so many of them survive but so little of the rest of Lantan's technology did.


How do you define "many"? You could just as well assume that your character happened to just met every surving gondsmen. For most people who play at their FLGS joint that should come to less than a dozen.




Would you assume that your pixie adventurer has met every other pixie adventuring on Faerun? That your shade assassin knows every other shade adventurer wandering the Realms?

Other races that don't necessarily fit the 'flavor' of the Realms were handled differently -- the award cert that allowed you to create a kenku was one of the best compromises between 'we want to allow this in LFR' and 'we don't really know how this fits in LFR'; people who wanted to play a kenku could find a way to do it without making them so common that people start to wonder how Vecna found his way to the Realms.

There's no real point in continuing the discussion -- it's devolved into a joke that's itself so old now as to only be funny to people who haven't encountered it. I just don't feel any sympathy for folks who have such a need to be special and unique snowflakes that they're willing to do active violence to a campaign setting to pull it off.

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9 months ago  ::  Aug 29, 2012 - 9:05AM #60
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Aug 29, 2012 -- 8:18AM, Pauper wrote:

the award cert that allowed you to create a kenku




At one point, the award cert that let you play an orc was going for $50+ on ebay. 

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