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1 year ago ::
Jan 03, 2012 - 2:46PM
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Just checking in at the livingforgottenrealms.com site, and noticed a blurb that the new Meta-Org guide should be out in time for D&DXP, complete with new orgs!
Thanks, folks.
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Pauper
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1 year ago ::
Jan 03, 2012 - 7:11PM
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Date Joined:
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You mean the same blurb that not three days ago was promising a new meta-org guide, complete with two new orgs, would be released sometime December 2011? That used to promise it sometime November?
They've been promising this new guide since before GenCon, if memory serves. I don't expect to see this thing come out before DDXP actually starts, if even then.
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1 year ago ::
Jan 04, 2012 - 5:04PM
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The track record isn't good but we can live in hope.....
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1 year ago ::
Jan 05, 2012 - 5:47AM
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It's a fair criticism (obviously). Nobody likes to see target dates pushed back month after month after month with no real end in sight. The situation with the meta-org guide (and campaign documents in general, as opposed to adventures) is not that there are big changes needed to the text that's currently available; it's that we have more organizations to add. So the lesson there is that it would have been better not to call the current version a "Draft" and instead to call it "done, with future versions to come." The versions that currently exist are perfectly playable the way they are, the proof being that we've been playing with them for a long time now. I personally tend to use the word "draft" to mean "I think that this version has everything it needs to be usable, but there is still more stuff I would like to do with it." That's probably not the right connotation for campaign documents. In the future we'll try and reserve "draft" to mean "we are not sure if this is done or not and we are soliciting feedback on it" and then switch to "done" as quickly as possible, reserving anything that didn't get over the line in time for the next release. (To be clear, the process of soliciting feedback from the community is extremely valuable and we have no plans to stop doing that.) Hopefully that change will cut down on the perception of things being in a perpetual state of revision, which is an understandable perception but isn't true given that the text of the meta-org document hasn't changed since May and the text of the Campaign Guide hasn't changed since August. We do like to synchronize changes around DDXP and Gen Con in particular, so there will be new versions (not much to do with the CG, other than to incorporate recent rulings and a couple of other minor edits -- but the MOG is getting new orgs). And they probably won't be called "Draft" versions. 
Talk to you later --
Sean
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M. Sean Molley | sean [at] basementsoftware [dot] com
LFR Global Administrator
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1 year ago ::
Jan 05, 2012 - 6:17AM
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Date Joined:
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It's a fair criticism (obviously). Nobody likes to see target dates pushed back month after month after month with no real end in sight. The situation with the meta-org guide (and campaign documents in general, as opposed to adventures) is not that there are big changes needed to the text that's currently available; it's that we have more organizations to add. So the lesson there is that it would have been better not to call the current version a "Draft" and instead to call it "done, with future versions to come." The versions that currently exist are perfectly playable the way they are, the proof being that we've been playing with them for a long time now.
I personally tend to use the word "draft" to mean "I think that this version has everything it needs to be usable, but there is still more stuff I would like to do with it." That's probably not the right connotation for campaign documents. In the future we'll try and reserve "draft" to mean "we are not sure if this is done or not and we are soliciting feedback on it" and then switch to "done" as quickly as possible, reserving anything that didn't get over the line in time for the next release. (To be clear, the process of soliciting feedback from the community is extremely valuable and we have no plans to stop doing that.)
Hopefully that change will cut down on the perception of things being in a perpetual state of revision, which is an understandable perception but isn't true given that the text of the meta-org document hasn't changed since May and the text of the Campaign Guide hasn't changed since August.
We do like to synchronize changes around DDXP and Gen Con in particular, so there will be new versions (not much to do with the CG, other than to incorporate recent rulings and a couple of other minor edits -- but the MOG is getting new orgs). And they probably won't be called "Draft" versions.
I think that much of the confusion happens because in past campaigns (by which I mean LG), a "draft" version was a review-only document; it was not a document that was usable as campaign documentation just yet. I think the change in terminology will be very helpful.
John du Bois
Living Forgotten Realms Writing Director, Netheril story area
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1 year ago ::
Jan 05, 2012 - 5:53PM
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Yeah, i've caught flack before for using the "draft" materials for LFR at cons even after they went live. Hopefully this change will prevent this, as I was not happy when it happened.
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1 year ago ::
Jan 07, 2012 - 1:56AM
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This is good news. Around here, draft means not ready yet.
Documents should not remain in draft status for long term.
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1 year ago ::
Jan 22, 2012 - 3:55PM
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DDXP is now less than a week away and still no sign of the final version of the Meta Org doc.
Will it be released before this coming weekend?
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1 year ago ::
Jan 22, 2012 - 7:03PM
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Jun 21, 2007
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Based on the workload that Sean has on his shoulders right now, I would hope to see the document on Wednesday night/ *early* Thursday morning. Granted, this is hoping and not really based on anything concrete. But! New stuff = good times, so there's that. 
Writing Director, Abolethic Sovereignty storyline Spoiler:
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1 year ago ::
Jan 27, 2012 - 7:04AM
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Date Joined:
May 20, 2007
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So. Any bets on whether this (and possibly some of the outstanding adventures) will be posted before the end of DDXP? Seems unlikely to me. Though at this point I'd rather see the adventures than the meta-org. Unless the updated meta-org doc gets posted today, I doubt anyone at DDXP will care much once the battle interactive kicks off tomorrow.
-Sartredes
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