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1 year ago ::
Dec 18, 2011 - 4:08PM
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Jan 27, 2009
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I think someone needs to talk with Wizards Pacific about the LFR leagility of the BoVD.
I was in my FLGS Friday and he's getting the hard word from them to order somer of these books. He told them that he's only ordering them as requested by customers because they're not LFR legal and LFR players are his main 4th ed customers.
Their response was that BoVD is most certainly LFR legal.
Is this a case of the left hand not knowing what the right hand is doing?
It seems concerning that the LFR admin team are ruling books not legal without the OK from Wizards.
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1 year ago ::
Dec 18, 2011 - 4:20PM
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Aug 21, 2007
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The Book of Vile Darkness has some great material for the LFR authors and Writing Directors to use in adventures, but I do not really see anything I would like the players to have open access for their PCs. LFR decided at the beginning not to go down the path of allowing evil PCs and I see no reason to start fudging that line.
Keith
Keith Hoffman
LFR Writing Director for Waterdeep
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1 year ago ::
Dec 18, 2011 - 4:24PM
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Keith I think you have missed the point. Wizards are demanding stores stock up on this book, but noone will buy it because its not for LFR. Regardless of the content, which none of us have seen yet, the book should not be forced on stores if it has no market appeal.
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1 year ago ::
Dec 18, 2011 - 5:16PM
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Obviously I cannot speak to how many local gaming stores are or are not stocking or planning to stock the BVD. Yesterday, Claire and I stopped into our FLGS in Fairborn, Oh, and they had the book available for sale and we bought one. I just checked, and it is available for pre-sale at Amazon.com and with their discount, I suspect gamer purchases from them are huge. Claire and I were absorbing its evilness and thinking about what would work within LFR. If WotC thinks an evil campaign is a good PR move for their business, let them create an evil D&D campaign for 18 months span.  From what I have been told in years past, I doubt LFR gamers represent the majority of 4e D&D gamers, but perhaps you have better access to market data than I. Since Hasbro bought WotC, no real market data has been generally shared that I know of. So I do not really know what else to offer. I cannot/will not comment on communication between the Global Admins and WotC staff.  Keith
Keith Hoffman
LFR Writing Director for Waterdeep
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1 year ago ::
Dec 18, 2011 - 5:39PM
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My question is mainly directed towards the admins since it appears that Wizards is deeming the product LFR legal but the LFR admins are deeming it not legal.
I really think that the issue needs to be sorted at a higher level than me. I'm only pointing out what I heard directly from Wizards (the store owner put the call on speaker for us to hear and the Wizrds rep was aware of this).
As for the store I frequent 95% of his 4th ed sales are LFR players, we have a regular turnout for 20+ players each week so for a small store that's a significant player base which won't buy a non LFR book but he's having it forced on him being told that it's LFR legal from the publisher.
You are right Kieth there are only 3 people on this group that can communicate with Wizards directly on LFR legal sources.
I really just want the issue sorted so I know whether or not I'm buying the book. (I only buy LFR content since that's most of my D&D play)
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1 year ago ::
Dec 18, 2011 - 6:36PM
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Aug 22, 2007
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It's meaningless to say that "Wizards says" something.
That one WOTC sales representative, trying to sell some books, is making incorrect statements about legal character options for LFR is unfortunate, but not particularly meaningful.
An official proclamation from WOTC on its official site would be meaningful. A third-hand comment from Chris Tulach or someone above him in the food chain would be interesting.
A comment by a sales rep (who, odds are, would also be willing to tell you that 5e isn't coming, the next novel will be the best one ever, and R&D pays close attention to customer concerns) is essentially worthless. It would be like asking the sales rep for errata; he doesn't have the authority to make proclamations like that, so you're just wasting your time asking him such questions.
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1 year ago ::
Dec 19, 2011 - 7:12AM
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May 29, 2001
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It's meaningless to say that "Wizards says" something.
That one WOTC sales representative, trying to sell some books, is making incorrect statements about legal character options for LFR is unfortunate, but not particularly meaningful.
An official proclamation from WOTC on its official site would be meaningful. A third-hand comment from Chris Tulach or someone above him in the food chain would be interesting.
A comment by a sales rep (who, odds are, would also be willing to tell you that 5e isn't coming, the next novel will be the best one ever, and R&D pays close attention to customer concerns) is essentially worthless. It would be like asking the sales rep for errata; he doesn't have the authority to make proclamations like that, so you're just wasting your time asking him such questions.
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Pauper
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1 year ago ::
Dec 19, 2011 - 7:55AM
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Aug 10, 2007
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To be clear, at this time BoVD is not legal as a player resource for LFR. If you're a DM writing a MYRE adventure, then it is certainly a source for content. LFR authors may also use this content, and specific content might be unlocked by story awards or granted as treasure bundles. BoVD is certainly compatible with LFR.
As previously noted by other posters, I wouldn't consider a sales-rep a reliable rules-source for LFR.
Dan Anderson
@EpicUthrac
Living Forgotten Realms Calimshan Writing Director
Living Forgotten Realms Epic Writing Director
Meet me at TotalConfusion:
http://www.totalcon.com/RolePlaying.html
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1 year ago ::
Dec 19, 2011 - 10:33AM
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he's having it forced on him being told that it's LFR legal from the publisher
I don't know anything about being a FLGS owner, but can WotC really FORCE stores to buy certain products even if the store owner does not think it will sell well and does not want it? I mean, just because something is LFR legal doesn't mean all LFR players are automatically going to purchase it.
For example, Fortune Cards are LFR legal, but in many areas players don't use them at all. (From a thread a while ago it sounds like some LFR gaming communities use lots of Fortune Cards and other LFR gaming communities don't use them at all.) If I were a store owner in an area where none of the players ever used Fortune Cards, I'd be pissed if WotC tried to force me to buy them just because they were LFR legal.
Lori Anderson
WotC Freelancer, LFR author
@LittleLorika
CALI3-3 The Agony of Almraiven (co-author)
NETH4-1 Containing Shadow (co-author)
CALI4-1 Plain of Stone Spiders (author)
QUES4-1 Liberation (co-author)
EPIC5-1 Plaguewrought Prism (co-author)
TotalCon: http://www.totalcon.com/RolePlaying.html
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1 year ago ::
Dec 19, 2011 - 12:04PM
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BoVD is not LFR legal. WOTC does not mandate to the Globals if a book will or will not be legal. I also find it hard to believe that WOTC forces or strongarms anyone to buy or stock anything. If some sales rep said it was legal, they are mistaken and likely know very little about LFR as a campaign. No one in OP at WOTC would say "This is legal, you must stock it or we will punish you."
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