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1 year ago ::
Jan 06, 2012 - 4:31PM
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Saying that you can't have Power of Sea sounds like some sort of ruleslawyering wordsmithing and against the intent of the rules laid out on page 24, to me.
The others have already explained why the equivalency doesn't apply by the rules. However, I also wanted to point out "the intent" of the equivalency. The equivalency rule was inserted at the start of the campaign because the FR books hadn't been published yet when the campaign started. (they technically were released during the GenCon it premiered) Rather than leaving the divine classes in a lurch by having no published deities (and we already knew there were a lot of changes in the pantheons coming) and no other rules items related to the deities, they decided to allow the equivalency.
Personally, and technically, the equivalency rule has served its purpose and isn't necessary anymore. It hangs around as a legacy rule.
Sorry WOTC, you lost me with Essentials. So where I used to buy every book that came out, now I will be very choosy about what I buy. Can we just get back to real 4e? Check out the 4e Conversion Wiki. 1. Wizards fight dirty. They hit their enemies in the NADs. -- Dragon9 2. A barbarian hits people with his axe. A warlord hits people with his barbarian. 3. Boo-freakin'-hoo, ya light-slingin' finger-wigglers. -- MrCelcius in response to the Cleric's Healer's Lore nerf
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1 year ago ::
Jan 07, 2012 - 6:33AM
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Personally, and technically, the equivalency rule has served its purpose and isn't necessary anymore. It hangs around as a legacy rule.
I diasgree that it served its purpose and isn't necessary anymore. The vast majority of deity-specific rules items will alwayd be published for the core pantheon. If WotC publishes a feat for clerics of a war deity they will do so for Kord without the intention that anyone not playing their PoL-Setting won't be allowed to take the feat, but with the assumption that the feat would be allowed for whatever war deity their home campaign uses. So as opposed to a fighter or wizard who can just pick up just about any new feat they publish, divine classes would have a special restriction.
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1 year ago ::
Jan 08, 2012 - 12:21AM
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Date Joined:
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Personally, and technically, the equivalency rule has served its purpose and isn't necessary anymore. It hangs around as a legacy rule.
I diasgree that it served its purpose and isn't necessary anymore. The vast majority of deity-specific rules items will alwayd be published for the core pantheon. If WotC publishes a feat for clerics of a war deity they will do so for Kord without the intention that anyone not playing their PoL-Setting won't be allowed to take the feat, but with the assumption that the feat would be allowed for whatever war deity their home campaign uses.
AFAIK, the equivalency rule is needed as long as Wizards keeps publishing
material for the core deities, which will be as long as the PHB is supported.
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1 year ago ::
Jan 08, 2012 - 12:11PM
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Oct 25, 2007
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Personally, and technically, the equivalency rule has served its purpose and isn't necessary anymore. It hangs around as a legacy rule.
I diasgree that it served its purpose and isn't necessary anymore. The vast majority of deity-specific rules items will alwayd be published for the core pantheon. If WotC publishes a feat for clerics of a war deity they will do so for Kord without the intention that anyone not playing their PoL-Setting won't be allowed to take the feat, but with the assumption that the feat would be allowed for whatever war deity their home campaign uses.
AFAIK, the equivalency rule is needed as long as Wizards keeps publishing
material for the core deities, which will be as long as the PHB is supported.
+1
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1 year ago ::
Jan 09, 2012 - 10:55AM
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Personally, and technically, the equivalency rule has served its purpose and isn't necessary anymore. It hangs around as a legacy rule.
I diasgree that it served its purpose and isn't necessary anymore. The vast majority of deity-specific rules items will alwayd be published for the core pantheon. If WotC publishes a feat for clerics of a war deity they will do so for Kord without the intention that anyone not playing their PoL-Setting won't be allowed to take the feat, but with the assumption that the feat would be allowed for whatever war deity their home campaign uses.
AFAIK, the equivalency rule is needed as long as Wizards keeps publishing
material for the core deities, which will be as long as the PHB is supported.
That depends on your definition of 'needed'. I think Dragon9's point was that it is sufficient that there exist diety specific options we can take, even if the majority of diety specific options are off the table because they are for disallowed deities, or if only a very small number of deities have good support because they are in both PoL and FR (such as Bahamut). Dropping equivalence rules basically drops us to:
1) FR specific deity specific rules, such as in FRCG and the Neverwinter book.
2) Domains as listed in the dragon article (so no Sea domain, for example, and obviously most of those with evilish connotations don't make the cut, such as destruction).
3) Bahamut and other deities in both the PoL + FR settings which get a bit of extra support.
Actually, I think the amount of deity specific rules items for PoL that aren't on that list isn't that huge right now. But I may be missing something.
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