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2 years ago  ::  Jun 12, 2011 - 11:47PM #1
Grimli
Date Joined: Jun 1, 2010
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Alright so when 3.0 came out I played a Halfing Barbarian/Rogue named Logan.  Was fun as heck he kicked tail and was extremely useful to a party.

Now with playing at the Cons I wanted to make another Halfing Barbarian (his son).  But I'm afraid that it will be unaffective. 

Any suggestions or advice?
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2 years ago  ::  Jun 13, 2011 - 2:09AM #2
thespaceinvader
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Whirling Barbarian will make him less penalised than other types, as will playing a Revenant Halfling of any sort, but Halfling is never going to be a particularly good choice for Barbarian, due to being Small and not getting a STR bump.

Maybe make a Rogue (or Thief) and reflavour.  Barbarian is a class, not a character narrative.  If you want him to be a barbarian (small b, as in, a relatively uncivilised crazy charge-in-without-thinking type), play that character.
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2 years ago  ::  Jun 13, 2011 - 10:15AM #3
Mommy_was_an_Orc
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It shouldn't be that bad. You're going to want proficiency in the Talenta Sharrash. That gives you a decent weapon for Howling Strike that has no RAI issues. You can't take the special Halfling feat as it is Eberron only, but...

Go 16 Str, 18 Dex, 14 Con and 12 Wis and Rageblood and you should be fine. Always raise Str and Dex. Halflings can boost Dex/Con instead of Dex/Cha now. You'll have an 18 AC at 1st, be quite tough, and you'll be able to spend feats on offense after that. 

Ranger|Barbarian hybrid might be a good choice as well, but that's more complicated. 
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2 years ago  ::  Jun 13, 2011 - 10:26AM #4
JohnduBois
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Jun 13, 2011 -- 10:15AM, Mommy_was_an_Orc wrote:

It shouldn't be that bad. You're going to want proficiency in the Talenta Sharrash. That gives you a decent weapon for Howling Strike that has no RAI issues. You can't take the special Halfling feat as it is Eberron only, but...  Go 16 Str, 18 Dex, 14 Con and 12 Wis and Rageblood and you should be fine. Always raise Str and Dex. Halflings can boost Dex/Con instead of Dex/Cha now. You'll have an 18 AC at 1st, be quite tough, and you'll be able to spend feats on offense after that.   Ranger|Barbarian hybrid might be a good choice as well, but that's more complicated. 



With the errata to Howling Strike, why would there be an RAI issue with any Versatile Weapon, given that the errata was written specifically to allow Small barbarians to use at-will powers?

In terms of character advice, I can tell you that such a character *can* be effective - I've played a gnome barbarian from 1st level to 15th, and both bad a blast and contributed to the party at striker level. I recommend multiclassing Fighter and taking Small Warrior's Defense and Scrappy - helps you catch up on AC and damage.

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2 years ago  ::  Jun 13, 2011 - 10:43AM #5
Mommy_was_an_Orc
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Ah, didn't see that errata. Yeah, do a combo of what I and JDB said and you'll be possibly even overpowered
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2 years ago  ::  Jun 13, 2011 - 11:02AM #6
Grimli
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Jun 13, 2011 -- 10:26AM, JohnduBois wrote:

Jun 13, 2011 -- 10:15AM, Mommy_was_an_Orc wrote:

It shouldn't be that bad. You're going to want proficiency in the Talenta Sharrash. That gives you a decent weapon for Howling Strike that has no RAI issues. You can't take the special Halfling feat as it is Eberron only, but... Go 16 Str, 18 Dex, 14 Con and 12 Wis and Rageblood and you should be fine. Always raise Str and Dex. Halflings can boost Dex/Con instead of Dex/Cha now. You'll have an 18 AC at 1st, be quite tough, and you'll be able to spend feats on offense after that.  Ranger|Barbarian hybrid might be a good choice as well, but that's more complicated. 



With the errata to Howling Strike, why would there be an RAI issue with any Versatile Weapon, given that the errata was written specifically to allow Small barbarians to use at-will powers?

In terms of character advice, I can tell you that such a character *can* be effective - I've played a gnome barbarian from 1st level to 15th, and both bad a blast and contributed to the party at striker level. I recommend multiclassing Fighter and taking Small Warrior's Defense and Scrappy - helps you catch up on AC and damage.




Thank you all for you advice, I have a question or two...

Does Small Warrior's Defense work with the Talenta Sharrash? 

Is it something I have to keep track of or will the Character Builder do it for me? 

I am still unsure of what daily to start with.  I was considering Thuder Hooves Rage.
 
My idea was with a high AC and Nimble Reaction, move through  a marked opponent's space get him to take a swing at me.

He gets attacked by the defender I have a better chance to get missed due to my high AC and Nimble Reaction, then I attack with a +1 Weapon Damage.

Does that sound like a good idea?

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2 years ago  ::  Jun 13, 2011 - 11:15AM #7
JohnduBois
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Small Warrior's Defense does not work with a Talenta Sharrash (and, for that matter, neither does Scrappy). Unless you are trying to optimize crits (and sometimes even then) or doing it for flavor, I would go with a Bastard Sword over the Talenta Sharrash as a superior weapon choice.

As long as you have a valid weapon selected as your equipped weapon, Character Builder should handle the defense bump.

Thunder Hooves Rage is a good choice. If you take that path, I would recommend picking up Pressing Strike as your second at-will; that way, you can shift through the enemy's square, and you don't even need Nimble Reaction to avoid being hit (although the defender punishment is a good option as well).
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2 years ago  ::  Jun 13, 2011 - 12:48PM #8
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2 years ago  ::  Jun 13, 2011 - 3:49PM #9
Grimli
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Well here is my 1st attempt
 
Still unsure of the At-Wills and Background please critique...no eating Cpttylorx!


Rogan Rageblade, level 1
Halfling, Barbarian
Build: Rageblood Barbarian
Feral Might: Rageblood Vigor
Background: Nelanther Isles (Nelanther Isles Benefit)


FINAL ABILITY SCORES
Str 16, Con 14, Dex 18, Int 8, Wis 12, Cha 10.


STARTING ABILITY SCORES
Str 16, Con 12, Dex 16, Int 8, Wis 12, Cha 10.



AC: 18 Fort: 15 Reflex: 15 Will: 11
HP: 29 Surges: 10 Surge Value: 7


TRAINED SKILLS
Perception +6, Endurance +6, Athletics +8


UNTRAINED SKILLS
Acrobatics +6, Arcana -1, Bluff, Diplomacy, Dungeoneering +1, Heal +1, History -1, Insight +1, Intimidate, Nature +1, Religion -1, Stealth +3, Streetwise, Thievery +5


FEATS
Level 1: Weapon Proficiency (Bastard sword)


POWERS
Barbarian at-will 1: Recuperating Strike
Barbarian at-will 1: Howling Strike
Barbarian encounter 1: Avalanche Strike
Barbarian daily 1: Thunder Hooves Rage


ITEMS
Hide Armor, Bastard sword

Sorry I have no clue who to set up the click on the "hidden" setup.

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2 years ago  ::  Jun 13, 2011 - 4:45PM #10
Mommy_was_an_Orc
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Looks generally good. I'd do the following:
Swap out Recuperating Strike for Pressing Strike - nothing is sadder than a Barbarian wanting temp hit points and therefore doing Defender damage without the mark. Pressing Strike really ups your damage for the entire encounter when using Thunder Hooves Rage. And the mobility is extremely useful for getting into the back ranks.

Weapon Proficiency (Bastard Sword) - I'd switch that out for Master of Arms, then pick up Bastard Sword at level 2. You'll be half decent with a short bow, so Master of Arms helps you out there and Longsword too.
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