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Jun 2, 2011 -- 6:14PM, Keith53 wrote:

Our inclination is drop the number of required favors to two (instead of seven), assuming you do not accomplish one of the great deeds that warrant automatic membership.

So with WATE24 one could join immediately? And the favor says "may change home region", so you can keep your old home region and your old home region benefit and just say that one now has an address in Waterdeep for RP reasons, right?

May 30, 2011 -- 6:44AM, Mommy_was_an_Orc wrote:

May 30, 2011 -- 3:14AM, Tedium wrote:

Looking the the items, most of them don't look too bad

rundown of items Show

Orgs with RP only qualifiers (alignments etc.)

Dusk Talons: Bracers of Escape are quite nice, probably wouldn't beat IAOP for the arms slot on a melee character, but would be handy for a squishy. Unseen Servant's hand is situational, but adds a lot of utility the the ritual, provided the DM is good at allowing creative solutions to skill challenges.

Lion's Den: Clearpath mist and floating lantern. Both useful items, but neither as mechanically good as anything else on offer here. also +10% gold if you receive less than cap in an adventure.

Order of Torm: The Orb of Light. Need I say more? well yes, since you also get access to the Rod of Divine Retribution, a daily stun against a target that hit you, and +1 to hit targets that hit you. My avenger would love this if he didn't worship Oghma.

Orgs with mechanical (story award/gold) qualifiers:

Harpers: Nightmare's keen senses: It's a grandmaster training (and therefore essentially slotless in LFR), not (IMO) a very good one though, concealment doesnt seem to come up much in melee. Magical harps are a varied bunch, but there are one or two nice ones in there.

Heirs of Mirt: Courtier's Cape: A misdirection effect that triggers off charm and fear. Not great, just because I don't seem to see those coming up all that much. Ring of Retreat has a nice property for those that want it, and the daily power can be situationally useful. Also gives at-cost healing rituals, and one free raise dead per year.

Knights of the Golden Rooster: Hero's armor: +2 to defences on action point, or as a daily give that up to let all allies within 5 use their second wind, good for when everything seems to be going wrong, but if it doesnt save you, then your party all just used their second wind so cant be raised by heal checks... Ring of Sympathy is only good if more than one person has it, but then the chain reaction of saves can be priceless in some encounters. 

Knights of Myth Drannor (who have apparently moved to Cormyr...): Rhythm blade and Foe stone.

Stellar fellowship: Two grandmaster trainings, both very nice. Finally something to use against those "attack an ally" powers, or a reaction MBA when bloodied.

 

All in all, most don't look too bad, and there are definitely good options other than the Knights of Myth Drannor for metagamers (the Stellar Fellowship gives essentially slotless items, and is easy to get in to for one). Plus, the penalty for leaving the Knights is by far the harshest of any of these, which seems to be they main way of balancing the items (since otherwise characters could dip in and out to grab what they wanted), which will severrely discourage metagaming in case something better comes along, or the other orgs end up with better in-module benefits.

I think that's not the way one should look at it - essentially, people are being given the chance to buy specific items rather than just simply find them in most cases. Who does this benefit:
Created characters. A created character at 5th who has a holy symbol can just purchase the +1 version of Symbol of Light for 1000 gold after his 1st adventure if he doesn't spend his gold.

Characters who get access to things that they couldn't normally get anywhere else. For the most part, the item benefits are mechanically irrelevant. If you're spending all your found item slots, you don't have Uncommon slots to put these new items into anyway. If you do have found item slots, you could spend them on the item. If you have excess gold, you can be spending that gold to upgrade your current items rather than take the metaorg item. Where that's not true is when a metaorg has access to something that can't be found anywhere else - a Rare item or Grandmaster's Training.

I think that's one of those benefits where a certain number of favors should be done before getting access. If you have say 3 positive story awards and no negative from the Order of Torm after joining, then you get access to the Orb of Light. If you have 2 story awards from the Harpers after joining, you get Grandmaster Training access. Or if you ever get less than 3 story awards, the Order of Torm reclaims the Orb of Light from you.

 

Note that access to purchase an uncommon still has some value,
since generally as you level up you sell those uncommons from
your lower levels, thus freeing up your uncommon item slots.

Jun 5, 2011 -- 7:08AM, Mirtek wrote:

The story award WATE24 allows you to retrain your background and background mechanic to Waterdeep. 

Yes, but that only works if you have that specific story award.

Gomez

Jun 5, 2011 -- 11:35AM, gomeztoo wrote:

Jun 5, 2011 -- 7:08AM, Mirtek wrote:

The story award WATE24 allows you to retrain your background and background mechanic to Waterdeep. 

Yes, but that only works if you have that specific story award.

Gomez

See the citizenship paragraph on page 2.  That should answer all your residency questions. 

"If a meta-org requires you to be a citizen, you must move your home region to the region required by your meta-org.   If you have chosen a background based on your home region, you must retrain your background to a non regional background."

I assume that last part should say "or the background associated with your new region."