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3 years ago  ::  Aug 20, 2010 - 3:22PM #21
Mirtek
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I think that glory tier is just another slippery slope. Sooner or later most of the people asking for glory tier will be asking for special rewards for glory tier.
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3 years ago  ::  Aug 20, 2010 - 6:08PM #22
Skerrit
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They can ask, but they wouldn't get it. I actually think most people that want the glory tier just want the challenge, and are less concerned with the rewards.
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3 years ago  ::  Aug 30, 2010 - 6:43AM #23
Uthrac
Date Joined: Aug 10, 2007
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I find it interesting that the onus of providing a "glory tier" challenge falls on the authors/admins.

In my local community, many players found LFR to be too easy - and by "too easy" I mean "not challenging enough to be fun." Those players chose to stop using rewards cards. Without the auto-succeed skill challenge with That'll Do, never being dazed with Snap Out of It, and making saving throws more often with a +1 bump here or there, those "easy" encounters became more challenging.

There are a number of things a table can do to raise their own challenge level. Not all judges can gauge challenge and make appropriate adjustments on-the-fly. In fact, some (unfortunately) will just add in the Glory adjustments "as the norm" to increase the challenge - whether the players want it or not.

If "Glory Tier" is something the community is looking for, I'd prefer something player-driven/player-controlled, rather than extra tools in the DM's hands. (The DM already has this, to some extent, in the form of DME.) Perhaps this is something that could even be addressed in the CCG.

Glory Tier: If your table is looking for a greater challenge for any given adventure, try completing the adventure with the following limitations:
• Do not take an extended rest during the adventure.
• Each PC will only spend 1 action point for the duration of the adventure. (Not the extras provided by milestones.)
• Complete the adventure without using item encounter powers.
• Each PC does not spend half of their healing surges.

I could list more . . . the point becomes, the players have complete and total control of the difficulty of the adventure. Even better, if they find themselves in trouble or running short of time, they can reach into their bag of tricks and still complete the adventure.

(I'm a big fan of PC empowerment.)   
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3 years ago  ::  Aug 30, 2010 - 7:26AM #24
Keithric
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My old challenge on my warlord was to complete the adventure without using a heal in combat. Totally made things more tense and exciting - and sometimes a module was challenging enough I'd have to use them.

I tossed that when I got to Paragon and my heals started giving bonuses though
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3 years ago  ::  Aug 31, 2010 - 1:32AM #25
Dodecahedron
Date Joined: Jan 26, 2005
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Locally, we never use the Glory Tier rules. We would rather complete
the adventure sooner and/or leave additional time for roleplaying than
to make things harder. As a DM, I would rather not have to prep them.

The suggestion to self-limit by not using cards, action points, items,
and other resources is a good idea for those who like bragging rights.

Every character is different, however. I recall the first ADCP adventure
where there was a penalty for action points made the Warlords grumpy.

Some characters are basic attack specialists, so taking away all of their
encounter or daily powers does not hurt. For others it will hurt far more.
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3 years ago  ::  Aug 31, 2010 - 7:03AM #26
Thanlis
Date Joined: Aug 22, 2007
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Aug 31, 2010 -- 1:32AM, Dodecahedron wrote:

Locally, we never use the Glory Tier rules. We would rather complete the adventure sooner and/or leave additional time for roleplaying than to make things harder. As a DM, I would rather not have to prep them.




Are we talking about the same thing? I don't think any mods have been released that include glory tier rulesy et.

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3 years ago  ::  Aug 31, 2010 - 9:09AM #27
Skerrit
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The Glory Tier tends to appear in ADCP BIs or Specials, but not usual in other adventures.
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3 years ago  ::  Sep 01, 2010 - 2:33PM #28
kenobi65
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Aug 31, 2010 -- 7:03AM, Thanlis wrote:


Are we talking about the same thing? I don't think any mods have been released that include glory tier rulesy et.




I saw at least one at GenCon (dunno if that counts as "released" yet).

"Of course [Richard] has a knife.  He always has a knife.  We all have knives.  It's 1183, and we're barbarians!" - Eleanor of Aquitaine, "The Lion in Winter"
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3 years ago  ::  Sep 04, 2010 - 4:39PM #29
Ferol_debtor_of_Torm
Date Joined: Jun 10, 2004
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I've more or less abandoned this campaign. Between the weak administration and the already shaky 4e rule system I've moved on.

I played some LFR this weekend at a local con. This was my first time in over three months. Today I was introduced to the 'glory' tier. This was something I would have supported months ago when I was playing 2-3 times per week, but the way it has been implemented is horrible. People that want extra challenge want to be recognized for meeting that challenge. I understand the reluctance to give extra gold/xp/access but is a special story reward asking too much? Something like 'You are recognized for going above and beyond' would be great.

This is just another decent idea with horrible execution. I'm not regretting my decision to withdraw from LFR.
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3 years ago  ::  Sep 04, 2010 - 9:32PM #30
Keithric
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Was it the battle interactive? Cause your con should have glorified you for your efforts.

Ours did, anyhow.

Ie, like by saying your adventuring company name and your deeds to the others. Feel free to write on your adventure log that you glory tiered it, too. I mean, why not, right?
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