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3 years ago ::
Jun 14, 2010 - 10:59AM
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Does retiring the regions include retiring their adventures, or will we still be able to play the adventures?
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3 years ago ::
Jun 14, 2010 - 11:01AM
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Date Joined:
Mar 17, 2005
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Does retiring the regions include retiring their adventures, or will we still be able to play the adventures?
The adventures still retire at their normal pace, so all the regional adventures are still good for quite some time.
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3 years ago ::
Jun 14, 2010 - 11:06AM
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Date Joined:
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Interesting...
Elimination of backgrounds - does that also mean the elimination of the regional benefits? What happens to current characters who belong to such backgrounds or have such regional benefits? As an example, I have a character from Windrise Ports who has two different multiclass feats.
24 mods a year? While I think the current model is way overboard with more than two per week, I think a lot of home games are structured around the idea that you average over time one mod a week. With the MINIs and other similar opportunities, are there going to be that number of mods? Or would the assumption be that MYREs would fill the gaps in such groups?
MYREs - while they can't be shared, it might be nice to have it be allowed for people to share plot and outline. As an example, Gometzoo is making up MYREs for his LFR games based on the DALE mods. It would be fun to have the basic outline and then write up our own similar MYREs for it.
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3 years ago ::
Jun 14, 2010 - 11:06AM
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Date Joined:
Aug 22, 2007
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As far as I know, we expect My Realms to petty much be exactly the same as they are now. This means they are not meant to be shared.
I would love to see that decision examined, since LFR adventures will not be canon now and that was one of the original reasons MYREs couldn't be shared. But I will not be disappointed if the answer is still no. Well, a bit disappointed. I think that'd be a really interesting experiment in the Living Campaign paradigm... One question: should we expect to see P2 and P3 MYREs this year?
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3 years ago ::
Jun 14, 2010 - 11:09AM
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Date Joined:
Mar 17, 2005
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Interesting...
Elimination of backgrounds - does that also mean the elimination of the regional benefits? What happens to current characters who belong to such backgrounds or have such regional benefits? As an example, I have a character from Windrise Ports who has two different multiclass feats.
24 mods a year? While I think the current model is way overboard with more than two per week, I think a lot of home games are structured around the idea that you average over time one mod a week. With the MINIs and other similar opportunities, are there going to be that number of mods? Or would the assumption be that MYREs would fill the gaps in such groups?
1) We haven't discussed it, but we probably won't eliminate backgrounds.
2) We are shooting for 1 mod every two weeks, plus epic, plus special contant plus MYEs. That will likely be a mod every 1.5 wks or so plus MYREs who should work well for even harcore groups.
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3 years ago ::
Jun 14, 2010 - 11:11AM
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Date Joined:
Mar 17, 2005
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I would love to see that decision examined, since LFR adventures will not be canon now and that was one of the original reasons MYREs couldn't be shared. But I will not be disappointed if the answer is still no. Well, a bit disappointed. I think that'd be a really interesting experiment in the Living Campaign paradigm...
We have, and continue to discuss the role of MYREs. We will probably discuss it again once we have our new staff and have determined what the actual release schedule is to look like.
One question: should we expect to see P2 and P3 MYREs this year?
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3 years ago ::
Jun 14, 2010 - 11:11AM
#17
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Date Joined:
Aug 22, 2007
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In a sense, one could describe this change as "WOTC has decided it's done with LFR, but the current staff are taking it over as a player-run campaign. We will be re-launching a new campaign in 2011, but grandfathering in all of your old LFR PCs."
Put that way, while I like the general tenor of the new direction, the grandfathering will make things a bit messy.
It's possible that an explicit split might be more beneficial. The alternative would be:
* Continue putting out LFR modules through 2010. Produce enough P2/P3 modules this year (~15 per level band) that a PC can get to E1.
* In 2011, cease production of new LFR adventures under the old system. Assuming enough P2/P3 modules are released, that will leave enough for current LFR characters to get to 21st level if they wish.
* Bifurcate the campaign. Start an epic storyline (and brand it with some title, "LFR: World's End" or somesuch) and slowly put out modules for that storyline.
* Then, start fresh with "LFR: In the Beginning". Everyone starts at 1st level. No crossover with the old campaign. You can implement all of the lessons you learned over the last few years, balancing the experience and rewards system the way you now believe it should be. You plan out in advance how you're going to deal with multiple level bands (or decide on a cap in advance).
I like the ideas I'm hearing. No longer canon? I never cared; that was just a millstone around the campaign's neck. A home base for the PCs? About time. A limited number of organized storylines? Sign me up.
24 adventures a year, spread over 6 level bands (not including epic)? Er, that's going to be a problem. One adventure per level band each quarter isn't a campaign, it's an interesting diversion you do as a break from playing an actual campaign.
I would rather start with how many quality adventures you believe the campaign can produce, and discuss the best way to utilize those adventures, instead of starting with what the campaign is going to support, and only afterwards figuring out how many adventures are available to support that structure.
At the same time, if the campaign is going to have a fundamental redesign, it would be a real shame to fail to take advantage of that opportunity to fix all of the issues you wish you had known about two years ago, and unfortunately, that's just not going to be possible with characters grandfathered in and 2008 modules still a part of the campaign.
Just my initial thoughts, I'm sure I'll have more at length later...
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3 years ago ::
Jun 14, 2010 - 11:18AM
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This is exactly the direction that the campaign must go in so that it can flourish. Strict oversight by WotC created numerous constraints on creativity for authors and overall plotlines, as well as the ability of the writing directors to create rich, compelling, and integrated stories. I agree that authors should not be getting paid going forward - it creates the wrong kind of incentive. Authors that write for the money (those crazy and/or broke enough to do so) are less likely to care about the quality of the end product than authors that create their own incentive to write (I better still be getting my outstanding compensation though  ). I think this change will help create the rich, integrated feel that so many people loved of LG, while maintaining the low barriers to entry that helped make LFR so successful. We have more than enough dedicated community members to help keep this campaign alive and thriving.
Dave Kay
LFR Writing Director Retiree
dkay807 [at] yahoo [dot] com
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3 years ago ::
Jun 14, 2010 - 11:18AM
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Date Joined:
Aug 22, 2007
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The lack of budget and home reporting is a very strong indication, and you may not know the answer, but mise ask: is the DM Reward program being retired?
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3 years ago ::
Jun 14, 2010 - 11:18AM
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Date Joined:
Mar 17, 2005
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In a sense, one could describe this change as "WOTC has decided it's done with LFR, but the current staff are taking it over as a player-run campaign. We will be re-launching a new campaign in 2011, but grandfathering in all of your old LFR PCs."
You could describe it that way. I would argue that you are wrong however. WoTC is still very much in favor of LFR and loves it, but it has also realized that they haven't been able to support it like they had previous hoped since their staff has product to put out. As such they decided to trust the volunteer staff and give us more control. They still have the final say and could change things if they wished.
24 adventures a year, spread over 6 level bands (not including epic)? Er, that's going to be a problem. One adventure per level band each quarter isn't a campaign, it's an interesting diversion you do as a break from playing an actual campaign.
We have discussed this. We might see adventures that span more than one level band, or we might just release all of one level band at once, or ... well we have lots of different possibilities and haven't settled on one.
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