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2 years ago  ::  Jun 20, 2011 - 3:12PM #1
KeeperofManyNames
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I've got a deck I'm currently testing that utilizes Dragon Fodder , a blue card draw spell (haven't quite settled on which yet), and Empty the Warrens , alongside a bunch of red mana pumping, some Brightstone Ritual s, and some Distant Melody[c]s to basically draw half my deck in one shot, spit out a stupid number of goblin tokens, and then either swing or spit out [c]Goblin War Strike s for the victory.

What scares me about this deck is that it's actually winning. My decks never do that.

What scares me even more is the fact that it can pull a victory straight out of the proverbial jaws of defeat, leaving my opponents confused and bruised. That, in and of itself, isn't bad. It's just what I want my decks to do, and it's a great example of why I think this format is a blast to play. The thing that I'm nervous about is the possibility that the deck can be tuned to the point of being out and out broken.

So, what I want help with is coming up with a totally broken configuration for this deck so that we can test whether or not this is a potentially dangerous archetype.

More broadly, I think it's worth examining token generation spells. I think those types of spells as signatures, especially when paired against any sort of card draw spell (even an otherwise useless cantrip can be quite powerful as a signature, I'm noticing) might dominate, especially since they counteract the inherent disadvantage the creatures have in this format while providing creeping card advantage (note that Dragon Fodder always makes two tokens, and Empty the Warrens spits the little buggers out like they're going out of style. Unless the opponent has a Wrath effect as a sig, this is already too fast for burn and straight white or black removal to keep up with).

This type of deck (we should come up with a cool, memorable name for it. Token-draw is descriptive, but doesn't have much pizzazz) is, I think, worth testing out a bit alongside the Discard, Lobotomize, and Land Destruction decks that people have pondered. It could be one of the defining archetypes of the whole format... possibly to the point of becoming horrifically broken.

Thoughts?
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2 years ago  ::  Jun 24, 2011 - 11:46PM #2
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Well, actually, I have some great thoughts on this.

One: Use Mana Flare . Lots of it. You want double mana? F**k that! go over kill and make it x4!
Two: splash   and to add some serious power from such cards as Overrun , Overwhelming Stampede , Beastmaster Ascension , and my all time favorite, Titanic Ultimatum .
Combine with 's general affinity for ramping with such cards as Harrow and Rampant Growth (countering harrow's nasty side-effect with the amazing artifact known as Crucible of Worlds ), and you can be pounding out those tokens like a mother, and then beefing them up to near/invincibility with those aforementioned cards and such cards as Eldrazi Monument and Roar of the Kha .

...Rant is over.
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Jul 24, 2011 -- 9:19PM, ThraxandKresh wrote:



@7_ate_9 what decks were they playing?  We're you playing multi-player, or what exactly? 

P.S. I hope you actually didn't... you know... do that with him and his friends.  They're magic cards man, who knows what diseases they carry .  You don't want to catch that stuff...






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2 years ago  ::  Jun 30, 2011 - 1:05PM #3
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Well, the problem with splashing colors is that I'm limited to the colors of my signatures, and two of my signatures need to be red--for Goblin Fodder and Empty the Warrens . So, if I splashed green, I would have to remove blue, and I'm not sure I want to lose that card draw capability.

Mana Flare might be a handy card to add, though. I mean, I won't be able to test it out, since I'm using cards that I have, but I can see it making things quite ridiculous, potentially.



Incidentally, I'm also experimenting with a mono-green deck with signatures Explore , Gift of the Gargantuan , and Kamahl's Summons which I consider to be in the same class of decks as Goblin Storm. Basically, I'm trying to find different ways to break tokens. Overrun or Overwhelming Stampede might make it in to that deck.

I don't think I have any Eldrazi Monuments, but if I do that's probably going to end up in one or the other of these decks... good suggestion.
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2 years ago  ::  Jun 30, 2011 - 1:10PM #4
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Beastmaster Ascension as well as Howl of the Night Pack .
For mono green, at least.
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Jul 24, 2011 -- 9:19PM, ThraxandKresh wrote:



@7_ate_9 what decks were they playing?  We're you playing multi-player, or what exactly? 

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