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12 months ago ::
Jun 21, 2012 - 1:44PM
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First -- to lokiare, sorry, I misread your post. I getcha now.
I don't disbelieve it exists at all, Drach. Like I said, I know a couple of children who could be textbook examples. I do think it's overdiagnosed, though, and certainly isn't alone in that category. And it has nothing to do with anti-intellectualism or anti-scientist, I loves me some intellectual scientists.
Except mathematicians, who should keep their filthy paws out of my D&D.
I think like many things ADHD is a symptom rather than a disease, just as cancer and diabetes are symptoms and not diseases in themselves.
The chemicals we allow children to take in during their early years when their brains are developing could cause ADHD.
We know that cancer is almost entirely environmental in nature, and we know that diabetes is almost always caused by obesity and bad nutrition (there are studies where they reverse and cure diabetes with a change in diet)
However some things do just happen naturally. For my familly the ADHD is practically a known genetic trait. Everyone in my immediate family displays the criterion for ADHD. We have excellent insurance and have gotten many a cat scan and MRI throughout the family for various different reasons over the course of our lives. Nothing strange is causing the ADHD like behavior as a symptom. No one has a misdiagnosed case of tourette's syndrome or one of the other various disorders that is often mislabeled as ADD. We adequately caught the difference between ADD and Autism in my niece, although she was easily identifiable as autistic even early (helps to know the early warning signs).
I might believe that if you could convince me that your entire family has different life styles and didn't follow the same general use of modern conveniences, and each had different food styles (like one family member being a vegetarian, another being a U.S.D.A Organic freak (like me), and another eating almost solely fast food or junk food). Also sure in a tiny percentage of people it might be hereditary, but that is just a tiny tiny percentage of the whole.
I just get infuriated a little bit when people regularly say that there is a way for me to get rid of my ADHD or that ADHD isn't a real thing (made taking one of my psych professors seriously pretty much an impossibility). I spend every day trying, and often failing (this post being self evident of that), to overcome the issues presented by having the disorder. Sure there are drugs I can take to overcome it, but you try taking amphetamines for 18 years. I personally have given up on that entirely. Not because it doesn't work, but because I hate everything about my self when I'm on the pills. Funny part about that is that of all the things I am addicted to it is the one addiction I still truly have to deal with on a day to day basis. Mainly at the same time as trying to deal with the ADD. Gotta love that psychological dependence criterion of addiction (I'd be a better person and wouldn't have any of these problems if only I took the drugs).
Have you tried the no sugar, no MSG idea I posted earlier? It has helped many people. It may not in your case, but in some cases it does. I mean if you've tried non-medicine ways and it failed, I sympathize with you. Its a horrible thing to have to deal with. Let me give you some clues: Doctor's make money by prescribing pills, they don't make money by prescribing non-pill remedies. Pharmaceutical companies don't make money by not selling pills, thus you won't see non copyrightable non patentable cures for anything come from that kind of company.
The main problem is that it is completely impossible to fully describe what ADD feels like to someone that doesn't have it. If you have ever had trouble reading my posts, due to the lack of punctuation, it is because I basically write as I think. I have recently started to proof read my posts to try and apply some punctuation, but I'm still pretty bad at it.
I had it as a child, but outgrew it, so I know exactly what you are talking about. I get relapses when I eat too much sugar and MSGs, so I know the pain you are going through...
Also Diabetes can be genetic and some forms of it can't be cured. For one of the 2 types of diabetes (Type 1 a.k.a early onset diabetes) the part of the pancreas that creates insulin is just dead and will never function properly again no matter how well you eat.
Sure in some cases its not curable, but it still is a symptom of a larger problem. It could be obesity, chemicals, or lifestyle and diet that caused it originally. It could be genetic. All we know is the number of people who get it have gone up exponentially over the course of a few generations. For instance diabetes in children was almost unheard of in the 1920's and earlier, not because they didn't know what it was, but because it just wasn't seen. Same thing with cancer. In the early 1900's doctors would travel for miles just to see a child with cancer, now they just throw a rock in a school hallway and hit 3 of them...
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12 months ago ::
Jun 21, 2012 - 1:54PM
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Things can affect you before your born. Take BPA's they have been shown to cause infertility in the 3rd generation exposed to them, but it takes 3 generations of exposure to show up. I'm not saying negative genetic mutations can't help these things happen, but that's a rarity. When you see a 1000x increase in cancer in 1-2 generations, you know it can't be genetic.
Lots of things have been shown to increase the chances of cancer, those things are mainly modeled after the fact through surveys and not on direct observations. For instance they don't feed massive amounts of bananas to rats in cages with otherwise no other cancer causing stuff and then see how many develop cancer. They take cancer patients and ask them survey questions.
The problem is that things like diabetes and cancer and ADHD are caused by a multitude of little things that up your chance by tiny amounts, but when added together increase your chance by huge percents...
The cancer I have is hereditary I'm not saying that environmental cancer isn't Leading the pack I just get tired of hearing how did you get it. some forms of both cancer and diabetis are in fact bad genes. Not to mention many people have genes predisposed to the environmental causes of some diseases.
The funny thing is untill I got diagnosed no one in my family had had it. Though knowledge of it was pretty thin at the time. I'm actually in books studying it or my first tumor is anyway. So yay I'm imorta.l I actually think My grandfather had it. But he was already long gone to crazy town by the time I was diagnosed.
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12 months ago ::
Jun 21, 2012 - 1:58PM
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Things can affect you before your born. Take BPA's they have been shown to cause infertility in the 3rd generation exposed to them, but it takes 3 generations of exposure to show up. I'm not saying negative genetic mutations can't help these things happen, but that's a rarity. When you see a 1000x increase in cancer in 1-2 generations, you know it can't be genetic.
Lots of things have been shown to increase the chances of cancer, those things are mainly modeled after the fact through surveys and not on direct observations. For instance they don't feed massive amounts of bananas to rats in cages with otherwise no other cancer causing stuff and then see how many develop cancer. They take cancer patients and ask them survey questions.
The problem is that things like diabetes and cancer and ADHD are caused by a multitude of little things that up your chance by tiny amounts, but when added together increase your chance by huge percents...
The cancer I have is hereditary I'm not saying that environmental cancer isn't Leading the pack I just get tired of hearing how did you get it. some forms of both cancer and diabetis are in fact bad genes. Not to mention many people have genes predisposed to the environmental causes of some diseases.
The funny thing is untill I got diagnosed no one in my family had had it. Though knowledge of it was pretty thin at the time. I'm actually in books studying it or my first tumor is anyway. So yay I'm imorta.l I actually think My grandfather had it. But he was already long gone to crazy town by the time I was diagnosed.
Have you looked into things like the Burzinsky scandal and the Gerson therapy? Just some food for thought...
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12 months ago ::
Jun 21, 2012 - 2:14PM
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1. To be fair, if it is a rare condition then there aren't many people like you with it (not in a statistical sense). And the drugs for ADHD wouldn't have helped, which should have tipped the doctors off. I assume it was something like that which eventually led to your current diagnosis? Not saying your problem wasn't terrible, but it is understandable that a rare condition took time to diagnose.
The problem is it didn't they just kept trying more drugs My current diagnosis happend years after we just stoped caring about it around 15 my predicament became way worse my levels would get so high I'd have horrible full body wracking pains my dad kept saying we'd check it out next week I had to be pulled from school at least twice a month but he thought I was just trying to get attention. I went in at 17 because my mom finally saw me in one of my adrenaline induced fits of pain and a doctor who had never saw me before checked my BP that was at 220/210 then ran a lot of tests finally diagnosing the problem. That doctor put in the work. Now since then I've seen numerous people when I was having problems they all want to run ADHD tests or Diabetes tests or any number of tests. I tell them exactly what the problem is when I walk in the door. I tell them they need to run a 24 hour urinallisis and test my catacolamine levels. They generally look at me like I'm stupid. I can't help but believe given my experience that a lot of doctors use ADHD as a cop out Like I said I know people the drugs work for I know it's pretty widespread. I just think there have to be a lot more cases like mine.
2. Cell phones can't cause cancer. It's physically impossible. The energy in the photons a cell phone emits are orders of magnitude too small to break any chemical bonds in your head. Hence they can't damage DNA or cause cancer. The random kinetic energy just from being at 98.6 degree F is far greater than what those photons can provide. Just saying.
I figured the walking the dog thing would give away my weak atempt to add humor to the situation Basically my point was everything we do causes cancer.
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