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Strokin_100 wrote:

You could end up having 6/6 Soldiers to take out, very tough to take out.

You already have a hex tile (double one) called " strong point" . This one does exactly that: It adds +1/1 defense to soldiers and gives them +1 on cover rolls. Using one or two of them can actually be a lot of fun. With the use of enfilade and the right units ( blast and bombardment, strike and fade ;) ) It IS actually possible to take out even 6/6 soldiers! However, I would recommend an assault scenario in such a situation ( defender has 2/3's of the points worth of attacker's units), because with equally strong sides, it would be nearly impossible to break such a defensive line.

I even " designed" a scenario myself once ( it's about the Allies trying to breach the Gothic line in Italy) in which I gave the Germans two of those double " strong point" hexes. The Allies had 120 points worth of units or thereabouts and the Germans around 80. They're main forces were a sandbagged MG ( yes, 6/6 defense!), a regular 4/4 MG, an 88 mm Flak and a couple of Veretan wehrmacht infantry men. The Allies consisted of 2 Shermans, 4 Humbers and two British Infantry " platoons". Due to the Inspiring Lieutenant's SA and the Humber's strike and fade ability, the scenario actually turned out to be unbalanced in favour of the Allies! Nevertheless, with a few minor tweaks ( e.g. Tally Ho doesn't work for the duration of the scenario) I think it would be a lot of fun! (It even was now, but in the end the Allies always won, even though they'd take some casualties). Once the Humbers and Sherman got behind the enemy lines and created enfilade situations the game was usually in the bag for the Allies.

Defensive Works : soldiers (including soldier-artillery) always benefit from a coversave in this hex, except against close combat. The Bombard and Pinpointer SA's have no effect on soldier units in this hex.

The idea of this SA is to -not- reduce cover from bombards like SiGs, Sherman 105mm's and the like. Flamers, close combatting stormtroopers and Enfilade fire should be the best answer for taking out heavy entrenchments. Not the run of the mill ' bring in the heavy guns ' approach. I'd like to see situations that cannot be solved just by big guns.


p.s. changing the Bombard SA to reducing a coversave by 2 (4+ would become 6+ , 3+ would become 5+) would even be better, imho. The flat -no cover save- is just too generic for me. In a lot of iconic situations it was quite impossible to clear infantry by artillery alone. Stalingrad, Huertgenwald, Monte Casino, etc. saw a lot more action then just 'shell and advance'. The whole of WW1 was a good example of how artillery didn't actually completely destroy the enemy. It would be good if the game would reflect that.

p.p.s. in WW1 , in face of heavy artillery, infantry would do best to dig in. They made trenches. In WW2 , in face of heavy artillery , infantry would still do best to dig in. They made foxholes (advancement in thinking : less work, less risk of splash). In this game, I find nothing. Yet. Read 'Infantry Attacks' by (then captain) Erwin Rommel for a lot of talk about making entrechments and taking them (he was a stormtrooper pioneer).

AH_boersma8 wrote:

Indeed still needs some tweeking I suppose ( e.g. I think tanks etc. SHOULD be allowed to attack it: merely the 7/7 defense will make sure hardly any tanks will succeed at damaging the fortification from anything but short range. Short range in turn will expose the tanks against attacks by units within the fortification; so it's a nice trade off, I think!)

PS: What would a fortification "disruption" represent? Perhaps its defense could be raised to 8/8, but when eight successes are actually scored against the unit, it would be destroyed immediately.....

Tanks and such can attack the fortification just not the units within.


Face up Disruption really would only have the effect of reducing the next round attack as normal justified as reducing the integrity of the structure.

The primary intents was to couple "Superior Armor 2" with "Heavy Armor" (aka Hulking Mass) to make a more durable fortification. I agree the blanket "Ignores Cover" is over the top in some circumstances. So it compliments the idea that "Yes" you can pound away at the fortification with alot of resources from a distance to reduce it to rubble but it may be more economical to nuetralize it up close and personal with assault troops, flame throwers and such.

Bottom line I think it would be very fun for scenario play such as D-Day and other Heavily Fortified Lines.