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3 months ago ::
Mar 11, 2013 - 7:53PM
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With the anti-4E stance the devs have taken as of late it's obvious that they don't want 4th edition fan's money/continued support and are really banking on stealing Pathfinder fans away from Pathfinder.
But is Next really good enough to do that? I don't think it is, and it's looking more and more like the devs are reaching that conclusion too.
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3 months ago ::
Mar 11, 2013 - 7:54PM
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I wouldn't say 'worried', but I can certainly accept it as a possibility.
Que sera', sera'. Whatever will be, will be.
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3 months ago ::
Mar 11, 2013 - 7:56PM
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I see no evidence that the devs share your concern. I can agree that they seem to have concluded that the 4e market is too small a wedge of the potential market to kow-tow to.
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3 months ago ::
Mar 11, 2013 - 8:00PM
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I see no evidence that the devs share your concern. I can agree that they seem to have concluded that the 4e market is too small a wedge of the potential market to kow-tow to.
yet the pre-3e crowd is enough to base the game on?, it boggles the mind that they seam to think this. after new players the 4e crowd is the most important to bring onboard, they are very large (made 4e number 1 while it was making new stuff reguarly), most likey to play 5e simply becuase its a new edition, and its known. and there is no pathfinder for 4e.
Insulting someones grammar on a forum is like losing to someone in a drag race and saying they were cheating by having racing stripes.
Not only do the two things not relate to each other (the logic behind the person's position, and their grammar) but you sound like an idiot for saying it (and you should, because its really stupid )
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3 months ago ::
Mar 11, 2013 - 8:02PM
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I'm more worried about D&D Next shooting itself in the foot by paying lip service to modularity. If it gets overhauled before it gets out the door, there might be a chance of it becoming a decent system. As it stands though, I'd predict it to be the poorest selling D&D to date. It simply isn't enough to enough people to be successful.
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3 months ago ::
Mar 11, 2013 - 8:05PM
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I see no evidence that the devs share your concern. I can agree that they seem to have concluded that the 4e market is too small a wedge of the potential market to kow-tow to.
yet the pre-3e crowd is enough to base the game on?, it boggles the mind that they seam to think this. after new players the 4e crowd is the most important to bring onboard, they are very large (made 4e number 1 while it was making new stuff reguarly), most likey to play 5e simply becuase its a new edition, and its known. and there is no pathfinder for 4e.
um yes it is. i would say that if they released a new version of dnd that was classic edition friendly sales would go up alot. if you could see how many pdfs are being downloaded and how many classic reprints are selling that would be your proof. the reason you dont know about them is they were shunned when 3rd edition came out as tsr holdouts. well we are all out here waiting for a new edition to buy and 3rd and 4th didnt do it for us.
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3 months ago ::
Mar 11, 2013 - 8:19PM
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With the anti-4E stance the devs have taken as of late it's obvious that they don't want 4th edition fan's money/continued support and are really banking on stealing Pathfinder fans away from Pathfinder.
But is Next really good enough to do that? I don't think it is, and it's looking more and more like the devs are reaching that conclusion too.
Wow, those are some really bold claims.
You got the numbers backing this up? Or is it just pure conjecture?
My two copper.
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3 months ago ::
Mar 11, 2013 - 8:25PM
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I don't see it so much as an anti-4e slant so much as a non-pro-4e slant. They catered to 4e fans and that segment to the audience for so long, at the expense of everyone else, that they need to build bridges and renew interest in D&D. I think they're hoping 4e fans will stick around long enough that their turn will come. Plus, with 4e fans being the current audience, they're the ones paying attention to what the devs say and the game already. It's everyone else that needs to be lured back.
Let's face it, there are 80,000 people playtesting 5e and hopefully the majority are answering the surveys. In contrast there are 32,1926 on these forums. That's not current posters, that's ever. If you take everyone who's ever posted, or lurked, or just registered an account and double that number that's how many people are involved in the playtest.
Or were two packages ago around GenCon. There could easily be many, many more now. And that's just the people who signed-up. How many people are playing under a DM but haven't signed-up?
So whatever opinions are expressed on these boards are a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of the total audience.
And if you're filling out the surveys (like you should) then WotC knows your opinion. They make changes if as few as 10% of the audience are truely unhappy. If people were as unhappy with the game as you make it out to be, there would have been far more radical changes.
This is their job. If they fail, they're unemployed.
AND D&D, the game most have played since childhood, dies. They're not going to risk that.
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3 months ago ::
Mar 11, 2013 - 8:28PM
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Don't know- really don't care if they cancel it as I'm pretty sure they won't be putting out something I will be interested in playing
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3 months ago ::
Mar 11, 2013 - 8:54PM
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I see no evidence that the devs share your concern. I can agree that they seem to have concluded that the 4e market is too small a wedge of the potential market to kow-tow to.
yet the pre-3e crowd is enough to base the game on?, it boggles the mind that they seam to think this. after new players the 4e crowd is the most important to bring onboard, they are very large (made 4e number 1 while it was making new stuff reguarly), most likey to play 5e simply becuase its a new edition, and its known. and there is no pathfinder for 4e.
You do release AD&D products have been selling like hot cakes and the reprints sold out despite being priced at around X4 what you can buy a 1st ed book for on Ebay? The D&D PDFs on RPGnow crashed the site and right now the nuber 1 selling product is a magazine called Gygax by TSR.
Would you like me to explain the relevence of the Gygax name or TSR? The other thing to consider s that the 4th ed players on the forums have made it very clear they wll only accept 4th ed and nothing else. The 3rd ed players do not really have the negative feelings towards AD&D the 4th ed crowd has towards 3.5. And not all of the AD&D players even some of the grognards hate 3.5 or Pathfinder and they actually play it on occasion they just prefer AD&D even if they do not think of 3.5 as D&D they just treat it as a separate game just like any other RPG they may or may not play.
You do not realy see the AD&D players or the 3rd ed players on the forums demanding functional reprints of either of those systems nor do they seem to care that much that D&DN does not have every little rule representation from those systems in D&DN. We know what inclusive and modularity really means as we have had it before with 2nd ed and 3rd in in various ways.
Reducing a character to a list of dice rolls and modifiers is not role playing*
*pg 30, AD&D 2nd Ed DMG, 1989.
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