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3 months ago ::
Mar 11, 2013 - 6:12AM
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Dec 21, 2012
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I'm planning on running a Bladesinger fairly soon, and I was curious how Power Swapping would work.
My main question is whether I would be taking an Encounter or Daily power swap feat, because Bladesingers kind of blur the line. I can live with either, but I'd like to know which type of power I'd pick up from the Multiclass (Daily or Encounter as Daily)
It's already been clarified for me that I can use Expanded Spellbook to pick up the additional "Encounter as Daily" per level.
Help would be appreciated. Thanks!
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3 months ago ::
Mar 11, 2013 - 6:24AM
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Oct 28, 2010
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Your guess is as good as anyone's, there is no clear RAW. Ask your DM.
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3 months ago ::
Mar 11, 2013 - 11:17AM
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I'd say you'd have to take Daily power swap feat since encounter powers you add to your spellbook function as daily powers for you.
Yan
Montréal, Canada
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3 months ago ::
Mar 11, 2013 - 3:04PM
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That isn't really the question. There are two options: Either you take the daily power-swap and get a normal encounter power that you can use one/encounter (so an actual encounter power), or you take the daily power-swap and get a real daily power (i.e, something you can use one/day that is actually as powerful as dailies are supposed to be).
There isn't an actual RAW answer, either way.
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3 months ago ::
Mar 11, 2013 - 3:37PM
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May 12, 2009
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IMO RAW Adept Power should let Bladesinger swap a daily attack power it knows for one daily attack power of the same level or lower from its multiclass. FWIW It was last discussed here Bladesinger Faily Powers: You add two 1st-level wizard encounter attack powers of your choice to your spellbook. The two function as daily attack powers for you.
Adept Power: You can swap one daily attack power you know for one daily attack power of the same level or lower from the class you multiclassed into.
Yan
Montréal, Canada
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3 months ago ::
Mar 11, 2013 - 3:44PM
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But you're not swapping a daily attack power, you're swapping an encounter power that functions as a daily power for you.
It isn't an opinion that there is no RAW answer. Both are viable readings of the available text (such as it is) from the book. The only reading that doesn't function is probably the intended one, i.e., you'd swap an encounter-as-daily and get another encounter power that you can still only use one/day. So the only good answer to this question is: Ask your DM.
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3 months ago ::
Mar 11, 2013 - 3:53PM
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Bladesinger's Spellbook: Because the power functions as a daily attack power, you cannot regain its use from any effect that recharges encounter attack powers.
But if it function as a daily, is it one ? Would a Bladesinger be able to regain its use from any effect that recharges daily attack powers for exemple?
Yan
Montréal, Canada
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3 months ago ::
Mar 11, 2013 - 4:18PM
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Bladesinger's Spellbook: Because the power functions as a daily attack power, you cannot regain its use from any effect that recharges encounter attack powers.
But if it function as a daily, is it one ? Would a Bladesinger be able to regain its use from any effect that recharges daily attack powers for exemple?
That would be the logical conclusion, based solely on that part of the text. The issue is the stupid encounter-as-daily rules cover nearly a page in the actual book and they are really not clear, one way or the other.
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2 months ago ::
Mar 14, 2013 - 12:54PM
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It makes sense that a Bladesinger should be able to swap one of its "Dailies" for another class', but having tried this before, the Character Builder shuts me down every time and won't allow it. For what it is worth, I have not tried swapping Encounters.
That said, as DM, I could see both arguments and would likely allow whichever the player chose. I really do not feel like this would create an OP character at all.
Honestly, I really think that the whole MC feats (outside of the initial feat investment) needs to be reworked. The Essentials classes confuse a lot of it, and make Paragon MC hard, if not impossible, for some characters. The new Unearthed Arcana MC idea might help this, especially with Essentials characters, but I really don't think that is the solution here.
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2 months ago ::
Mar 15, 2013 - 7:07AM
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Dec 21, 2012
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It makes sense that a Bladesinger should be able to swap one of its "Dailies" for another class', but having tried this before, the Character Builder shuts me down every time and won't allow it. For what it is worth, I have not tried swapping Encounters.
That said, as DM, I could see both arguments and would likely allow whichever the player chose. I really do not feel like this would create an OP character at all.
Honestly, I really think that the whole MC feats (outside of the initial feat investment) needs to be reworked. The Essentials classes confuse a lot of it, and make Paragon MC hard, if not impossible, for some characters. The new Unearthed Arcana MC idea might help this, especially with Essentials characters, but I really don't think that is the solution here.
I generally like the entire system of Multiclassing in this game/edition. The Essentials and "oddball" classes can sometimes make it a bit more challenging though.
I think that it works like this.
A Wizard Encounter Power becomes a Bladesinger Daily Power when it's chosen.
So you would trade it out for a Daily Power from another class (anything but Wizard, I think)
My DM is a little overly cautious about OP PC's, so the likely response is just going to be "Don't Power Swap," but I was hoping for some kinda RAW to toss in his general direction.
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