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2 months ago  ::  Mar 21, 2013 - 2:49PM #51
pinkisthenewred
Date Joined: Jan 1, 2013
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Rakshasa Claw for item-swap cheese.

Edit: Rod of Ulban (even the worst one pretty expensive, tho) and Aversion Staff should fit your swap arsenal, as well. 
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2 months ago  ::  Mar 21, 2013 - 9:41PM #52
Zathris
Date Joined: Nov 6, 2009
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I prefer Coure Attendant for the 1/enc CA vs Adjacent Creatures as a Minor Action.

Transposing Lunge/Circle of Devastation can be used "when you use your Aegis of Shielding" so RAR lets me use both DV/SoS/UB and TL/CoD in the same round. 1 Feat for an extra attack+negation per encounter and is of some (very slight) relevance in round 2+ is very very strong.

My only attack that slides is Eldritch Strike, as this is LFR, with Punishing Sigil it's enough to justify the Staggering Weapon. My primary weapon is actually the Rare Faervian (effectively a Sunblade with a free action at-will 1/enc). If this weren't LFR, I would have a Mark of Storm so both Booming Blade and Thundering Vortex (and a couple other choices for thunder/lightning) slide.

edit (thanks zel): Armor gives me a +Item Bonus to defenses, so Aversion Staff isn't an option
"Invokers are probably better round after round but Wizard dailies are devastating.  Actually, devastating is too light a word.  Wizard daily powers are soul crushing, encounter ending, havoc causing pieces of awesome." -AirPower25
Sear the Flesh, Purify the Soul;
Harden the Heart, and Improve the Mind;
Born of Blood, but Forged by Fire;
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2 months ago  ::  Mar 21, 2013 - 11:30PM #53
pinkisthenewred
Date Joined: Jan 1, 2013
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Thanks for making this clear. 
Coure Attendant's active benefit is nice, but wouldn't it be kind of worse than Rakshasa Claw, when it comes to juggling more than two items a round? 
It's "always as free" vs "as free once a round". So you couldn't react properly in many situations by having the right item in hand. Is there a rule that forbids item swapping out of the own turn, cause if not, i would really prefer RC over CA.
Would the slide 1 on Thundering Vortex justify taking a feat? Cause it lacks the weapon keyword, so Staggering Weapon shouldn't apply. 
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2 months ago  ::  Mar 22, 2013 - 1:00AM #54
Zathris
Date Joined: Nov 6, 2009
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Huh, missed that difference on the Coure, weird; maybe it was that way in the non-compiled version, oh well, Claw it is, I refluff it anyway.

Just for Thundering Vortex? No. You'd take Mark of Warding. But you can take Thunder Riposte instead of CoD, and you should have Booming Blade as well, and then Astral Thunder Blade at 29 instead of Languor.
"Invokers are probably better round after round but Wizard dailies are devastating.  Actually, devastating is too light a word.  Wizard daily powers are soul crushing, encounter ending, havoc causing pieces of awesome." -AirPower25
Sear the Flesh, Purify the Soul;
Harden the Heart, and Improve the Mind;
Born of Blood, but Forged by Fire;
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2 months ago  ::  Mar 23, 2013 - 11:09AM #55
Jasonite75
Date Joined: Oct 13, 2011
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Claw is better, but you can't take it until level 14 and I'm at level 12, so that would mean either Disembodied Hand or Coure Attendant I believe. Retrain at level 14 I suppose.

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1 month ago  ::  Apr 14, 2013 - 4:06AM #56
pinkisthenewred
Date Joined: Jan 1, 2013
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Mar 14, 2013 -- 6:40PM, Zathris wrote:

I'm too uncreative to come up with an amazing build name, pic, and quote for it, but here's roughly my SM|Lock in LFR.
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====== Created Using Wizards of the Coast D&D Character Builder ======
Z'athris, level 30
Eladrin, Warlock|Swordmage, Sigil Carver, Master of Moments
Eldritch Pact (Hybrid): Sorcerer-King Pact (Hybrid)
Eldritch Strike: Eldritch Strike Charisma
Hybrid Warlock: Hybrid Warlock Will
Swordmage Aegis (Hybrid): Aegis of Shielding
Hybrid Talent: Swordmage Warding
Twofold Pact: Star Pact
Eladrin Subrace: Sun Elf (Eladrin)
Select option: Sun Elf Skill Bonuses
Select option: Wizard Implement Proficiency
Select option: Eladrin Education
Theme: Iliyanbruen Guardian
Background: Born Under a Bad Sign (Born Under a Bad Sign Benefit)

FINAL ABILITY SCORES
Str 12, Con 15, Dex 13, Int 26, Wis 10, Cha 26.

STARTING ABILITY SCORES
Str 10, Con 13, Dex 11, Int 16, Wis 8, Cha 16.


AC: 48 Fort: 38 Reflex: 47 Will: 47
HP: 184 Surges: 15 Surge Value: 46

TRAINED SKILLS
Acrobatics +21, Religion +32, Insight +22, Arcana +34, Bluff +36

UNTRAINED SKILLS
Diplomacy +23, Dungeoneering +15, Endurance +17, Heal +15, History +29, Intimidate +29, Nature +17, Perception +15, Stealth +16, Streetwise +23, Thievery +16, Athletics +16

FEATS
Level 1: Eladrin Swordmage Advance
Level 2: Renewed by Blood
Level 4: War Wizard's Expertise
Level 6: Hybrid Talent
Level 8: Mindbite Scorn
Level 10: Improved Defenses
Level 11: Demanding Talent
Level 12: Feywild Protection
Level 14: Arcane Familiar
Level 16: Eldritch Blade
Level 18: Bloodied Boon
Level 20: Twofold Pact
Level 21: Rapid Aegis Reaction
Level 22: Warding Curse
Level 24: Reserve Maneuver
Level 26: Superior Will
Level 28: Cursed Spells
Level 30: Superior Initiative

POWERS
Corellon's Boon of Arcane Might (level 23): Soul Step
Hybrid at-will 1: Eldritch Strike
Hybrid at-will 1: Booming Blade
Reserve Maneuver: Dimensional Vortex
Hybrid encounter 1: Cursebite
Hybrid daily 1: Star Shackles
Hybrid utility 2: Assassin's Bane
Hybrid encounter 3: Incendiary Sword
Hybrid daily 5: Swordmage Shielding Fire
Hybrid utility 6: Swordmage's Decree
Hybrid encounter 7: Transposing Lunge
Hybrid daily 9: Command Insanity
Hybrid utility 10: Ethereal Sidestep
Hybrid encounter 13: Touch of Command (replaces Cursebite)
Hybrid daily 15: Reaper's Challenge (replaces Star Shackles)
Hybrid utility 16: Borrowed Confidence
Hybrid encounter 17: Thundering Vortex (replaces Incendiary Sword)
Hybrid daily 19: Delusions of Loyalty (replaces Swordmage Shielding Fire)
Hybrid utility 22: Hero's Defense
Hybrid encounter 23: Unwilling Betrayal (replaces Touch of Command)
Hybrid daily 25: Word of the Sorcerer-King (replaces Delusions of Loyalty)
Hybrid encounter 27: Circle of Devastation (replaces Transposing Lunge)
Hybrid daily 29: Waves of Languor (replaces Command Insanity)

ITEMS
Rod of Corruption +1, Helm of Able Defense (paragon tier), Salve of Power (heroic tier), Pearl of Power (heroic tier), Ruby Scabbard (heroic tier), Power Jewel (heroic tier), Ring of Tenacious Will (epic tier), Iron Armbands of Power (epic tier), Siberys Shard of the Mage (epic tier), Staggering Longsword +6, Foe Caller Gauntlets (epic tier), Demonskin Tattoo (epic tier), Corellon's Boon of Arcane Might (level 23), Blink Ring (epic tier), Ring of Dimensional Escape (paragon tier), Incisive Dagger Dagger +5, Belt of Vitality (epic tier), Orb of Nimble Thoughts +3, Boots of Quickness (epic tier), Elven Chain Shirt (epic tier), Scabbard of Sacred Might (heroic tier), Cloak of Translocation +6, Swordwing Armor of Dark Majesty +6, Opal Ring of Remembrance (epic tier)
RITUALS
Scroll of Portal Jump
====== Copy to Clipboard and Press the Import Button on the Summary Tab ======




You stated somewhere else, that you aren't too happy with Iliyanbruen Guardian for a non-leader build. So, what else would you suggest to pick for this one instead? Sarifal Feywarden? Yakuza?

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1 month ago  ::  Apr 14, 2013 - 10:56PM #57
Zathris
Date Joined: Nov 6, 2009
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Sarifal has Minor Action issues, decent in Heroic when "mark and curse everything" isn't outright required/possible.

Yakuza is always strong, even though the OA feature is wasted, Life's Losing Hand and Ruthless Demonstration make it a viable theme for any build that deals damage. Ironwrought and Guardian would also be on the list above Sarifal. Sensate works so long as you don't go Twofold Infernal. Misshapen is interesting, especially the daily stance that would auto-trigger your Booming Blade's secondary as well as an OA. Sentinel Marshall is probably the second best since it gives you an extra mark (and immobilize). Pretty much anything with an Initiative Bonus is helpful. Samurai would be a good choice (up there with Yakuza/Ironwrought/Guardian) because of the free move, off-turn mark, and Save/+X to Nads utilities.

Top has got to be Purple Dragon. Even with variant builds increasing defenses, almost none of the "last the encounter" powers that Arcane Classes have are stances, so just having "+1 to hit with Eldritch Strike" always on is potent itself, but Sudden Formation is absurdly strong for a Sigil Carver to have (anyone using Magic Weapon likes it when you do this also!), and the U10 giving Resist Stat (8) in Aura 1 as a daily is very nice (2x Fey Step, Planestrider Boots, and retrain Assassin's Bane to Ethereal Stride makes Sidestep not needed at all). It also fits with the way the LFR campaign runs, where you pretty much spend half your time in the general vicinity of Cormyr (Cormyr, Dalelands, Moonsea, Myth Drannor, Dragon Coast, Sembia, Elturgard) and basically every PC ends up a Knight of Myth Drannor *and* a Knight of Cormyr (and a Burgher of Impultur, Sultan in Calimshan, Heir of Mirt ...)
"Invokers are probably better round after round but Wizard dailies are devastating.  Actually, devastating is too light a word.  Wizard daily powers are soul crushing, encounter ending, havoc causing pieces of awesome." -AirPower25
Sear the Flesh, Purify the Soul;
Harden the Heart, and Improve the Mind;
Born of Blood, but Forged by Fire;
The MECH warrior reaches perfection.

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1 month ago  ::  Apr 15, 2013 - 12:52PM #58
pinkisthenewred
Date Joined: Jan 1, 2013
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I see. Thanks for the insight.
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