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Mar 7, 2013 -- 1:30PM, Fardiz wrote:

Mar 7, 2013 -- 11:44AM, ThatWasTotallyNinja wrote:

Mar 7, 2013 -- 11:31AM, Fardiz wrote:

Would you care to show where prerequisite is a defined as a game term, that makes it different to the English language definition?

Think of it this way: if prereq is used in a broad English sense, then you should also get the Healing Word class feature automatically, because the only prerequisite for gaining that class feature is being a cleric, and you count as a cleric for the purpose of meeting prerequisites.

I don't know that being a cleric is actually a prereq for BCL though. The D400 that I'm looking at only says "You can choose this class feature in place of Healer's Lore" and that's about it, meaning that if you get HL somehow, you could take BCL instead. But in the earlier section (arguably flavor and descriptions, but Not A Rule) it does say "Battle Cleric's Lore, which a cleric can take in place of Healer's Lore." So I guess the RAW argument here is over whether not that applies.

No one ever said the rules were logical. He just made a rules statement and with a quick compendium search I couldn't find prerequisite as a defined term, so I was wondering if he was basing his statement on anything but a wish that the rules were logical.

Page 57 of PHB defines a Prerequisite:
Prerequisite: You must meet this provision to select this power. If you ever lose a prerequisite for a power (for example, if you use the retraining system to replace training in a skill with training in a different skill), you can’t use that power thereafter.

They don't seem to explicitly define prerequisites in the same way for feats, but they generally give them the same definition - i.e. have this or else don't take the option.

In any case, the game simply doesn't work as we know it if you try to use the broad English definition. Why are you restricted from picking Invoker powers, as an example? 

Mar 7, 2013 -- 3:51PM, Alcestis wrote:

Mar 7, 2013 -- 1:42PM, Mommy_was_an_Orc wrote:

Page 57 of PHB defines a Prerequisite:
Prerequisite: You must meet this provision to select this power. If you ever lose a prerequisite for a power (for example, if you use the retraining system to replace training in a skill with training in a different skill), you can’t use that power thereafter.

They don't seem to explicitly define prerequisites in the same way for feats, but they generally give them the same definition - i.e. have this or else don't take the option.

In any case, the game simply doesn't work as we know it if you try to use the broad English definition. Why are you restricted from picking Invoker powers, as an example? 

So, long story short, you can't cite a rule to back up your position in general about the definition of prerequisite, so we have to default to the English definition, which makes you wrong. So glad we cleared that up... eight posts ago.

No, there's quite clearly a definition on page 57. If you want to ignore the other ways it gets defined, that's up to you. Welcome to an unusable game. Deciding to use the broad English definition is quite clearly an interpretation that allows you to ignore the definition on page 57 because prereq is quite clearly defined as a game element in that paragraph.

Mar 7, 2013 -- 3:51PM, Alcestis wrote:

Also: Character creation choosing a power rules. Again, helps to read the rules before saying things.

As you've previously argued, you're saying that we're a member of the class for purposes of all prerequisites and the definition of prerequisites is broad enough to mean 'required to be a member of the class'.

Picking powers from a class requires that you be a member of the class. So if your argument is correct, that too is a prerequisite.