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4 months ago ::
Mar 02, 2013 - 2:53PM
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Encounter Martial, Weapon
Standard Action Melee or Ranged weapon Requirement: You must be wielding two melee weapons or a ranged weapon. Targets: One or two creatures Attack: Strength vs. AC (melee; main weapon and off-hand weapon) or Dexterity vs. AC (ranged), two attacks Hit: 1[W] + Strength modifier damage (melee) or 1[W] + Dexterity modifier damage (ranged) per attack. With each hit, you push the target 1 square. If both attacks hit the same target, you push the target a number of squares equal to 1 + your Wisdom modifier.
Assume my Wisdom modifier is 5.
Does that mean the total number of squares a target will be pushed is 8 (1+1+<1+5>) for a total of 3 pushes, or is it 6 (1+5) for a single large push?
As a DM, I find it easier to just punish the players no matter what they pick, as I assume they will pick stuff that is broken. I mean, fight after fight they kill all the monsters without getting killed themselves! What sort of a game is this, anyway?
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4 months ago ::
Mar 02, 2013 - 3:28PM
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May 12, 2009
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the total number of squares a target will be pushed is 8 (1+1+<1+5>) for a total of 3 pushes
Since RAW the third sentence is not a replacement to the second, you'd push a total of 8 squares in 3 instances.
Yan
Montréal, Canada
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4 months ago ::
Mar 02, 2013 - 3:31PM
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Feb 20, 2013
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I've always taken it and things like it to mean the latter, but it might be worth seeing what your DM says, since it is somewhat ambiguous.
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4 months ago ::
Mar 02, 2013 - 3:39PM
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I am the DM. That's the issue, because I read it one way, and I was sure that it was going to cause contention. I wanted to check with the experts first.
The previous times he used it, it was the second way (8 total squares), but I've recently taken to actually READING powers instead of just accepting players' words. They were a bit tired of me asking (again!!) what their power does.
So yea... Needed some help with my homework.
As a DM, I find it easier to just punish the players no matter what they pick, as I assume they will pick stuff that is broken. I mean, fight after fight they kill all the monsters without getting killed themselves! What sort of a game is this, anyway?
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4 months ago ::
Mar 02, 2013 - 7:57PM
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I am the DM. That's the issue, because I read it one way, and I was sure that it was going to cause contention. I wanted to check with the experts first.
The previous times he used it, it was the second way (8 total squares), but I've recently taken to actually READING powers instead of just accepting players' words. They were a bit tired of me asking (again!!) what their power does.
So yea... Needed some help with my homework.
RAW, and not terribly broken: Push 1 per hit, then push 5 more when both hit.
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4 months ago ::
Mar 03, 2013 - 6:33PM
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As a note that player may want to look into Draconic Arrogance. I have no idea if they are high enough level, dragonborn, or have MC into Fighter but if they are thats 3x str mod to that attack. Which isn't too shabby.
Remember that the player can always choose to push less if they want. So they could push the target anywhere from 1 to 8 squares.
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4 months ago ::
Mar 04, 2013 - 2:40PM
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Aug 20, 2003
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Also, because it's three separate pushes, if they have the target directly next to hindering terrain (lava, a cliff, etc), they could force the target to make 3 separate saving throws to avoid being pushed into that terrain.
The only weird part about the power is that it doesn't state you follow after each push, so either you have to choose not to push no the first hit, or you need something else to allow you to follow after the first hit (like a free action interrupt or reaction power), or you have to rule it that you resolve both attacks first and then deal with all the pushes.
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4 months ago ::
Mar 04, 2013 - 4:33PM
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The only weird part about the power is that it doesn't state you follow after each push,
That wouldn't make any sense, though, given that it can be used as a ranged attack instead of a melee attack.
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4 months ago ::
Mar 04, 2013 - 4:38PM
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It makes sense: the editor who wrote it was stupid and didn't realize that using it as a melee attack meant if you used the first push, you'd boned yourself. Or he did and ignored it, because it was also a Ranged attack and worked fine in that context.
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4 months ago ::
Mar 05, 2013 - 7:39AM
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Aug 20, 2003
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If you want it to "make more sense" you could change my statement to "can follow", so its optional. Either way, as written, your first attack would push the target out of reach, so you could only hit it twice by using a reach weapon and starting adjacent or having some other way to move along with it.
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