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3 months ago  ::  Feb 22, 2013 - 9:52AM #1
Zallin
Date Joined: Jan 19, 2009
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I have a level 16 assassin, and I took the Shadow Blade Paragon Path.  This gives me a shadow blade.  My question is, can I enchant the shadow blade as if it were any normal light blade?  Also the twilight Assassin power creates a duplicate that I can flank with and some other things, the DM and I are unsure if you can attack this duplicate, and if you can what it's Defences and HP are.  We assume you can't as that info isn't given but I thought I'd ask to make sure.  Thanks all.
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3 months ago  ::  Feb 22, 2013 - 11:33AM #2
LordOfWeasels
Date Joined: Apr 6, 2009
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Feb 22, 2013 -- 9:52AM, Zallin wrote:

I have a level 16 assassin, and I took the Shadow Blade Paragon Path.  This gives me a shadow blade.  My question is, can I enchant the shadow blade as if it were any normal light blade? 




No, because powers end at End Of Encounter/5 Minutes, and Enchant Magic Item takes an hour.  Nor would you want to, because it vanishes as soon as you're not touching it.

It seems obvious that you're INTENDED to be summoning/creating the same shadowblade every time, and able to enchant it.  However, you aren't, and you can't.  So it's pretty useless, unless your DM houserules a change to the path.  Most old Dragon material is like this, by the way.

Feb 22, 2013 -- 9:52AM, Zallin wrote:

Also the twilight Assassin power creates a duplicate that I can flank with and some other things, the DM and I are unsure if you can attack this duplicate, and if you can what it's Defences and HP are.  We assume you can't as that info isn't given but I thought I'd ask to make sure.  Thanks all.




It's a Conjuration.  It can't be attacked.

Confused about Stealth?  Think "invisibility" means "take the mini off the board to make people guess?"  You need to check out The Rules Of Hidden Club.

Damage types and resistances:  A working house rule.
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3 months ago  ::  Feb 22, 2013 - 12:43PM #3
RisingZan
Date Joined: Aug 20, 2003
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Feb 22, 2013 -- 11:33AM, LordOfWeasels wrote:

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Feb 22, 2013 -- 9:52AM, Zallin wrote:

Also the twilight Assassin power creates a duplicate that I can flank with and some other things, the DM and I are unsure if you can attack this duplicate, and if you can what it's Defences and HP are.  We assume you can't as that info isn't given but I thought I'd ask to make sure.  Thanks all.




It's a Conjuration.  It can't be attacked.




While Conjurations typically can't be attacked, unless otherwise specified (see Shaman's Spirit Companion), they potentially be destroyed by attacks that specifically target conjurations or zones, such as the Eldritch Giant's "Consume Magic" power.

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3 months ago  ::  Feb 22, 2013 - 1:28PM #4
Zallin
Date Joined: Jan 19, 2009
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I guess you can make the shadow blade more useful via a Ki Focus?
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3 months ago  ::  Feb 22, 2013 - 5:21PM #5
LordOfWeasels
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Feb 22, 2013 -- 1:28PM, Zallin wrote:

I guess you can make the shadow blade more useful via a Ki Focus?




You could!

Confused about Stealth?  Think "invisibility" means "take the mini off the board to make people guess?"  You need to check out The Rules Of Hidden Club.

Damage types and resistances:  A working house rule.
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3 months ago  ::  Feb 24, 2013 - 7:38PM #6
Zallin
Date Joined: Jan 19, 2009
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Ok the application of the Ki Focus Brings up another question. I applied a +3 Ki Focus as well as a +4 weapon.  Now on the power cards it shows the Ki Focus as well as the Weapon's stats to the power. The weapon is obviously the higher of the numbers as its +4 while the implement is +3.  Shouldn't the weapon's stats only apply to powers that have the *weapon* keyword and the Ki Focus only with with powers that have the *implement* key word?  Or can you use a weapon on any power?  If thats the case why even bother with implements?  Thanks.
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3 months ago  ::  Feb 24, 2013 - 9:33PM #7
Alcestis
Date Joined: Oct 7, 2009
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Assassin > Implement Proficiencies > Ki Focuses, Weapons with which you have proficiency.

Assassins specifically can use any weapon they are proficient in as an Implement. Doesn't apply to most classes.
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3 months ago  ::  Feb 25, 2013 - 9:03AM #8
Zallin
Date Joined: Jan 19, 2009
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So if I had a druid, with a +4 weapon and a +3 implement and the power didn't have the weapon keyword, the +4 weapon doesn't apply to the power?  I ask cause in my trying to understand i made a druid and gave him an +4 weapon and a +3 implement and the weapon was still applied to every power along with the implement.
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3 months ago  ::  Feb 25, 2013 - 9:34AM #9
WolfLordBran
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Does the power say "Weapon" in its keywords? If so, it applies the weapon's enhancement modifier. If it does not have "Weapon" and instead has "Implement", it applies the implement's enhancement.

Only Assassins and Monks have the ability to use a weapon they are proficient with as an implement.
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3 months ago  ::  Feb 25, 2013 - 10:05AM #10
Zallin
Date Joined: Jan 19, 2009
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The power simply says implement.  I assumed that means weapons can't effect the power, it has to be an implement.  The character builder seems to say other wise.  See below.




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