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Feb 22, 2013 -- 8:13PM, Admiral-JCJF wrote:

Nice strawman attempt to tank the basic concept of the Warlord though.

Admiral-JCJF, try to keep it peaceful, arright?  I wouldn't read any negative motive into Saelorn's comment - while I don't agree with his specific example (ala magic items), I do think granted-, shared-, and free-actions would need to be closely monitored, because there is potential for things to get out of whack (much how multiple attacks got "out of whack" in 4e).

Feb 22, 2013 -- 7:48PM, TheOneWhoCallCrow wrote:

The reason why I said it was magical because I have a hard time believing that somebody
telling me to do something that I already know.

With magic, I could say it was a magic energy or surge.  

in some ways i agree with this. does the warlord know how to use magic in combat better than the wizard? no he dosent

does the warlord know how many undead the cleric will turn? no he dosent

so he may know alot about battlefield combat some things he dosent have mastery of more than the person using the power. now also being a veteran myself. high level leadership works for large scale combat. as you get to smaller groups of people the level of leadership needed is less and less. you dont need a general genius level leader for a 5 man squad that is just silly

Feb 22, 2013 -- 8:22PM, Saelorn wrote:

Feb 22, 2013 -- 8:13PM, Admiral-JCJF wrote:

Overpowered?

What? Strawman? Were you talking to me? I'm being perfectly serious here. If you have three different characters, then the ability to let one of your choice take a second action for the round is better than adding a fourth unique thing.

Haven't you ever been fighting a swarm, and the only one who can hurt it is the wizard? Or you're fighting a golem, and only the fighter's magic sword can damage it? The ability to be either of those people, as the situation demands, is a huge benefit. Besides, if the warlord did add a skill die to damage (or whatever), then the warlord's action would always be strictly better than anyone acting on their own turn. No matter what the fighter could do, the warlord's action would be exactly as good as that, plus a die.

Just as we don't want the warlord to be inferior to anyone else, we must also make sure that it is not always superior to everyone else.

False.

The Fighter will be adding a stack of their own bonuses on their turn.

And the Wizard will be using daily spells for more than half of the expected rounds of the standard day.

So a Warlord using a "basic attack" with no enhancement IS strictly worse.

And your attempt to tank a basic concept of the game, given your track record in similar discussions, IS a clear strawman. 

Feb 22, 2013 -- 8:34PM, Admiral-JCJF wrote:

The Fighter will be adding a stack of their own bonuses on their turn.

And the Wizard will be using daily spells for more than half of the expected rounds of the standard day.

So a Warlord using a "basic attack" with no enhancement IS strictly worse.

Last I checked, the fighter's Martial Damage Dice refreshed on everyone's turn, so the fighter would still get to add all of those 6d6+20 (or whatever, depending on level).

Granted, the wizard is limited by spells per day, so a warlord telling a wizard to use one of those spells would just help the wizard run out of spells twice as quickly. In that case, it would be better to bring an extra wizard than to have a warlord and a wizard. 

If we limit the topic to at-will powers, though (which is probably the most you could expect for an ability that the warlord can use at-will), then the choice between greatsword or bow or chill touch is strictly superior to a fighter who only has a greatsword option or a rogue who only has a bow option or a wizard who only has chill touch as an offensive cantrip.

The ability to let other people take better actions seems like something the warlord would need to spend resources on. Once per encounter, someone gets an attack with +1d12 to hit and +2 damage per die, or once per day the warlord can let everyone make a basic attack, or something.

Feb 22, 2013 -- 8:40PM, TheOneWhoCallCrow wrote:

Feb 22, 2013 -- 8:28PM, Garthanos wrote:

In a magical fantasy verse... he ought to generally know where and when to place the Wizards effects to maximize there impact 

When I was talking about magical warlord, I meant this guy. 
When he calls your name to do something, you can feel a magical surge inside you. 
It's either going to make you hit harder, move faster, or remove fear. 

That'c certainly one way of flavoring your Warlord.

Hell, I once had a Warlord who was essentially Alphonse Elric, a disembodied spirit using a suit of armor as a temporary body. And when having allies make moves, instead of shouting and waiting for them to do it, he simply cut out the middle man and hopped out of his body, possessed them to do what he was having them do, then quickly hopping back to his own body.