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4 months ago  ::  Feb 20, 2013 - 4:41PM #11
Chimaera2000
Date Joined: Jul 7, 2003
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Feb 20, 2013 -- 4:14PM, zelink551 wrote:

The clear answer is to flop "Arc Lightning" and take the fear "Lightning Arc"!




Haha, nice. :P

Feb 20, 2013 -- 4:15PM, Mommy_was_an_Orc wrote:

Feb 20, 2013 -- 3:45PM, Chimaera2000 wrote:

1) Be half-elf, take Versatile Master, take Adept Dilettante. Classic, though spontaneously sprouting pointy ears is questionable.




Just to point out, Aragorn was part elf, though mostly human. You could have been part-elf all the time, but never realized your ancestry and turning into a primordial is making that half-elf part more primary than it used to be...




Feb 20, 2013 -- 4:31PM, Zhara wrote:

Do it has Helf/dilletante/CV. It's your best option in terms of feat-space intensity, and makes the least dramatic change to your character.

Plus, like MommyWasAnOrc said, your character could have been part elf the whole time. Who says they need pointy ears?




Mommy, that's a really good point and an awesome example. I might do that because Zhara's right; so far Half-elf seems like the most efficient option available.

Feb 20, 2013 -- 4:32PM, Mengu74 wrote:

Be an elementalist and use escalation for additional targets? Or switch to a Genasi Wizard?




Rebuilding my character as a Genasi wizard (especially Mage) is a really, really strong option. I'm trying to hold off since my Sorc is the only Charisma-based character in our party and I think I'd have to go Str / Int or Con / Int to get the most out of the Genasi Wizard... but damn, it would be strong. And tempting.


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4 months ago  ::  Feb 20, 2013 - 4:42PM #12
Alcestis
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Feb 20, 2013 -- 4:23PM, Chimaera2000 wrote:

Feb 20, 2013 -- 4:07PM, Sceptile wrote:

Why do you need it? Just for fun? You shouldn't need non-Ensorcelled Blade at-wills by Paragon.




Besides just the cool factor of firing a lightning bolt from each hand, we've often had encounters where enemies are spread out and at long distances (15+ squares) away. In these situations, having a two-target at-will with 20-square range could nearly double my damage output compared to using Acid Orb. In our campaign, airships are common and aerial battles are semi-frequent. Arc Lightning would help engage enemy airships efficiently.


You're a striker, "spreading out" damage is the opposite of what you want to do. If you need to be a long range minion clearer, play a controller.... that is literally one of their primary design goals.

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4 months ago  ::  Feb 20, 2013 - 4:51PM #13
erachima
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Since your DM is apparently fine with houseruling stuff, the best answer is to ask your DM to make all Wizard Evocation spells be accessible to Sorcerers. As CHA attacks, obviously.
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4 months ago  ::  Feb 20, 2013 - 5:08PM #14
Scatterbrained
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I've got to agree with Alcestis - using your standard actions for Arc Lightning is the opposite of "engaging enemy airships efficiently." Efficiency is hitting one guy as hard as you can til he's dead, which you should be doing with your encounter powers. If there are still several rounds after your encounters are spent, point the DM in the direction of the DM forums here. At the very least, the ships should close in and try to board you or something after a round or two.

Getting this at-will through dilettante is spending a lot of resources for something that really isn't that good. But since "just don't do that" usually doesn't seem to get across in a thread like this, here's an alternative - the level 10 alternative reward Kalak's Echo gives you an arcane at-will as an encounter power. Houserule it as CHA-based and you can still do your Lightning Arc thing once per encounter. You really shouldn't need it more than that.

I would also suggest Elementalist as Mengu mentioned, but the target restrictions of Escalation probably make it much less useful for you.
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4 months ago  ::  Feb 20, 2013 - 5:10PM #15
i_am_baldur
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Feb 20, 2013 -- 4:51PM, erachima wrote:

Since your DM is apparently fine with houseruling stuff, the best answer is to ask your DM to make all Wizard Evocation spells be accessible to Sorcerers. As CHA attacks, obviously.




I think making the entire school open is a mistake. What's the point of playing a Wizard now if you can just access Wizard spells as a Sorcerer? Assuming with the Sorcerer's Soul feature as well?

Honestly, I think that giving the entire school is a mistake, but I think that I'd allow you to just switch one of your Sorcerer At-Wills for Arc Lightning. That seems much easier than opening up an entire new class with no down-sides and you don't have to sacrifice any character options to do so. Suggest it, the worst they can say is no. I'd suggest allowing it to be Charisma-based instead of Intelligence, maybe even making use of your Sorcerer's Soul option.

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4 months ago  ::  Feb 20, 2013 - 5:27PM #16
zelink551
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Wizard EVOCATION spells. Whats the point in playing a Wizard? I dunno, the best control class. Nothing much I know but...
The Elemental Man (or Woman): A Genasi Handbook

The Warlord, Or How to Wield a Barbarian One-Handed

The Bookish Barbarian

Fardiz: RAI is fairly clear, but RAZ is different

That's right. Rules According to Zelink!

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http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75882/28317541/Barfcheeze_help?pg=1

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4 months ago  ::  Feb 20, 2013 - 5:47PM #17
erachima
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Feb 20, 2013 -- 5:10PM, i_am_baldur wrote:

I think making the entire school open is a mistake.




Then you have no design sense. The fact that those spells are Wizard spells to begin with is the mistake: Blasting is expressly Sorcerer space, not Wizard space.*

What's the point of playing a Wizard now if you can just access Wizard spells as a Sorcerer?



Role: Controller.

Assuming with the Sorcerer's Soul feature as well?



No duh.

*I don't care how much the MUH TRADISHONS crowd cries, a class that does "everything" is not a class at all. Throwing fireballs is not the Wizard's job, and they should not have a spell school dedicated to it.

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4 months ago  ::  Feb 20, 2013 - 6:05PM #18
Zhara
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In truth, if you're trying to take a bite out of many targets far away, you would be well served by being a Genasi Wizard (Mage or Arcanist, your call) . They can get STR mod to elemental wizard powers, which is comperable to the bonus damage you get from your spell source feature. Combine that with a damage-type flopping implement (lightning weapon staff, or whatever) and you can get a unified damage type from your wizard powers. Pretty blaster-y, though your secondary stat-based power riders take a hit. If built that way you lose a lot of your control potential to get a moderate bonus to damage.

If you really want to continue being a sorc, Elementalist is a pretty good choice. It will give you the multi-target ability, though it does suffer in terms of damage output compared with Genasi wizards and base Sorcs.

Really you're in a sort of netherspace, as there's a lot of overlap in terms of roles between the Arcanist/ Mage and Sorc/Elementalist.
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4 months ago  ::  Feb 20, 2013 - 6:07PM #19
Chimaera2000
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Feb 20, 2013 -- 5:08PM, Scatterbrained wrote:

Getting this at-will through dilettante is spending a lot of resources for something that really isn't that good. But since "just don't do that" usually doesn't seem to get across in a thread like this, here's an alternative - the level 10 alternative reward Kalak's Echo gives you an arcane at-will as an encounter power. Houserule it as CHA-based and you can still do your Lightning Arc thing once per encounter. You really shouldn't need it more than that.




Sweet. Now Kalak's Echo is an efficient option; zero feats required, even if only as an encounter power. Thanks for the heads-up!

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4 months ago  ::  Feb 20, 2013 - 6:13PM #20
erachima
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That's not on an attack stat though, Chimaera.
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