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3 months ago ::
Feb 17, 2013 - 3:19PM
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May 19, 2010
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Even with a true strike, a GW's AC is high enough that he will be quite unlikely to hit. A level 11 wizard cannot possibly have more than BAB 5 unless using Abjurant Champion or Spellblade.
And all of this is assuming they even can fight this high-leveled sorcerer. It'd be much smarter to GPB something to wipe the party than to engage personally, or at least only enter battle with a bunch of highly-buffed minions with the element of surprise. It's a highly intelligent caster with access to divinations and a bunch of other caster toys. The party has no chance.
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3 months ago ::
Feb 17, 2013 - 3:40PM
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Aug 17, 2004
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Even with a true strike, a GW's AC is high enough that he will be quite unlikely to hit. A level 11 wizard cannot possibly have more than BAB 5 unless using Abjurant Champion or Spellblade.
I didn't think it was possible for a GW to increase their touch AC to higher than their normal unbuffed AC with Scint Scales; isn't the deflection bonus granted based on their existing natural armor? It's not too difficult to create a level 12 gish with BAB +8 or +9 and 11 levels of wizard casting. There's also Polymorphing into something with phat Dex, morale bonuses (from Greater Heroism or an optimized bard ally), or even stacking up dinky bonuses (like Haste and an archer buddy doing Aid Another). I can see a mid-30s bonus without too much difficulty, which should make things possible.
And all of this is assuming they even can fight this high-leveled sorcerer. It'd be much smarter to GPB something to wipe the party than to engage personally, or at least only enter battle with a bunch of highly-buffed minions with the element of surprise. It's a highly intelligent caster with access to divinations and a bunch of other caster toys. The party has no chance.
Well, there is the question of how intelligent the GM is playing this lizard. Generally any cheese available to the party is available to the dragon (unless you have a Great Wyrm White, the red-headed stepchild of the chromatic dragons), so you need to assume that the party will have the chance to attack the dragon at a point of invulnerability, or load up on the REAL cheese (like the Miracle at level 6 cleric or breaking the economy to hire an army of war troll mercenaries riding battletitan dinosaurs).
One step at a time though. How can a mid-level party get its hands on an item of Disintegrate or other way of burrowing through walls? If you've got enough stone between you and the dragon, you can just dig your way through a lot of lairs and skip the traps. Remember, they don't have tremorsense.
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3 months ago ::
Feb 17, 2013 - 8:05PM
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Date Joined:
May 26, 2001
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One step at a time though. How can a mid-level party get its hands on an item of Disintegrate or other way of burrowing through walls? If you've got enough stone between you and the dragon, you can just dig your way through a lot of lairs and skip the traps. Remember, they don't have tremorsense.
Summon nature's ally III is a possibility; I wouldn't normally want to use it for long distances, but it's available even in core if you don't have anything better.
I would, however, want to ask more about the circumstances involved. Why does the party need to kill this great red wyrm in the first place?
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3 months ago ::
Feb 17, 2013 - 8:21PM
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May 23, 2012
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Level up, conceal yourself as much as possible (magically and mundanely), and follow most of the rest of the advice posted here. Also, hope your DM is giving up some of the dragons advantages by not being fully aware of them all.
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3 months ago ::
Feb 18, 2013 - 4:34AM
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Pazuzu Pazuzu Pazuzu.
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3 months ago ::
Feb 18, 2013 - 8:57AM
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Date Joined:
May 23, 2012
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Do it! Have someone LG do it! Hordes of the Abyss page 76 "Temptation (Su)"
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