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Feb 16, 2013 -- 10:31PM, ClockworkNecktie wrote:

You've already listed more than four skills Lan is trained in. I guess he spent all his feats on skill training?

Actually yes when asked to build him earlier I did indeed use the superior skill training feat.  though he only needed to do it once Literally my build for Lan is:

Class: Fighter
Maneuvers:  Composed Attack, Glancing Blow, Lunge, Spring Attack, Whirwind Attack
Background: Knight (trade persuasion for perception) (screw spot and listen perception was one of the best advancements of 4e)
Feats: Cleave, Combat Reflexes, Weapon Mastery, Superior Skill Training (Track, Sense Motive).

Thinking back I originally gave him survival but upon recounting the entirety of the 14 book story he never does survivalish stuff he always just brings enough supplies for things to go south on him, and should it be needed one of the village youths handles the foraging for food.

Now he does have a spell placed on him that affords him many bonuses, so the bonuses of that are not in this build because those bonuses do not exist in a normal game, and even if they did would just be bonuses from a spell being cast on him. 

Feb 17, 2013 -- 8:36AM, Garthanos wrote:

Feb 17, 2013 -- 7:56AM, SleepsInTraffic wrote:

 
Now he does have a spell placed on him that affords him many bonuses, so the bonuses of that are not in this build because those bonuses do not exist in a normal game, and even if they did would just be bonuses from a spell being cast on him. 

If its a ongoing enchantment that he is NEVER without it really is part of the character... now it might still be analogous to boons and blessing and grandmaster training of 4e and technically independent.

I leave it out because it is capability he distinctly got from something other than being a fighter.  Therefore the fighter class need not cover it.

Those bonuses amount to:
Slow Aging
Compeled to obey the caster (at casters discretion they can choose not to compelle them).
Connection to the caster (the caster and the warder share a deep emotionally based conection, this is the thing that makes warders kill themselves once the caster dies).
Increased Vitality (the warder bond grants the warder an increased endurance, basically bonuses to con checks and hit points and)
Ability to sense shadow spawn (Unless cloaked by an enemy caster the warder can sense shadowspawn within a mile he can't sense where they are but he knows they are there).
Some bonuses to will saves.

Basically if I had to give the non fluffy bonuses of the warder bond using the current features of the system it would basically be 2 feats and 2 skill tricks: Durable, Toughness, Iron Will, Great Fortitude.

However if this other player (or my DM controlled NPC) says you have to do something you have to do it.  If this other player (or my DM controlled NPC) dies then you have no choice but to find the nearest battles and throw yourself into them possibly leaving the party altogether to go fight your own personal war on the shadow.  These are non negotiable portions of the bonuses you will be forced to adhere to these rules.

However do note this has nothing to do with being a fighter.  Fighter is in no way responsible for carrying these bonuses because even in story this is not a thing all fighter's get nor is it a thing secluded to only fighters.  You can in fact get these bonuses as a bard, or a ranger, or a freaking full on caster.

 

Feb 17, 2013 -- 10:58AM, EnglishLanguage wrote:

Feb 17, 2013 -- 10:30AM, SleepsInTraffic wrote:

training to be a fighter isn't as hard as training to be a wizard

That just killed any chance of you being taken seriously.

I'm literally listing other peoples acceptable arguments.  Arguments that have literally been accepted before.
 I have literally seen people agree to the idea of 'okay if becoming a fighter is not as involved as becoming a rogue or a wizard then represent that within the class'.

I tend to disagree with this reasoning personally I always apply the Lan Mandragoran their skill comes from their distinct dedication to combat.  That their skills come from a lifetime of training to be a combatant.

Lans sense motive comes from mastering the sword

Lans knowledge warfare the same

Lans perception is not "trained" so much as creator given, and is honed via the supreme concentration required to master the sword.

Lan's ability to ride is a direct connection to his combat training it isn't even a weirdly connect bit this is directly a result of his combat training (and he isn't magnificent at it)

Tracking is something directly connected to his combat training as well.  (You must track down the enemies also you must know how to hide your own tracks. track can be applied to checks for counter tracking)


Thats how you build a fighter his combat training isn't easy or less intensive it just sculpts all of his skills.