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4 months ago  ::  Feb 15, 2013 - 5:45PM #41
Slagger_the_Chuul
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Either the content of existing fiction that serves as the basis of vampire treatment in D&D counts, in which case at least some vampries can obviously breed, or it doesn't, in which case we've got an official D&D source indicating that vampires are capable of breeding under the right circumstances, and nothing official indicating that they can't breed.
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4 months ago  ::  Feb 15, 2013 - 5:55PM #42
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4 months ago  ::  Feb 18, 2013 - 9:17AM #43
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Feb 13, 2013 -- 11:50PM, EruditeApe wrote:

Let's look at the biology, just for a second. Let's start with male vampires. Being "turned on" requires increased blood flow to the relevant bits. That's how the luggage gets lifted. Vampires are cold, and don't exactly have a heartbeat. Therefore, it's impossible for them to be "turned on." So, while a particularly fresh vampire might, theoretically, be capable of having a child, it would involve a knife and a turkey baster, and would generally be quite unpleasant.




This depends on the fiction, but historically Vampire males who had sexual relations with a mortal could cause her to bear children, this is the bases for the Damphyr. As for blood flow, while they don't produce blood, after drinking it their appearance could be more life-like as they have gorged themselves on fresh blood. Flush, warm, even a heartbeat while gorged, going pale, cold and deathlike as they get hungry.


Now, for a female, as already covered, arousal is impossible. Now, even if we assume they were ovulating at the moment of becoming a vampire, and the ovum survived the ordeal, and it was fertilized by some necrophiliac, which would be quite unpleasant, putting the member up in a very chilly region like that, it wouldn't exactly grow. Biology and all. 




General consensus is that the female vampire can't give birth, however when gorged can be all warm and feel normal. 

If the female was already pregnant, and the child was already viable, I suppose it might be possible, but you may end up with an infant vampire. And that is, of course, leaving out the problems of the child getting out. But, hey, WotC fails at biology. There's a template for it in the Book of Bad Latin.




Generally the pregnancy is terminated from the shock of the transformation, when the mother is dead for a day or two before rising again. And it is possible for a premature birth if the child is developed enough, and ussually if a pregnant woman dies at this stage a cesarrian brith is performed, if the child is effected or not by the vampire blood (vampire touched?) is possible. Others hold that a unborn baby is somewhat protected and that if the transformation is fast enough, and the mother is kept well fed,  that she might still carry to term, ussually the unborn child is effected by the vampire blood and is some sort of monstrosity or Damphyr.

Some hold that an unborn child is given divine protection, that glow a woman with child has, so to speak, and thus cannot be turned by a vampire while bearing child. Others that pregant women and children being killed by vampires is abit too morbid and taboo a subject.

There is of course also Vampires that feed their blood to mortals, giving them power and a way of controlling them as thralls. These thralls who are mortal after all, can mate and produce a child who is permantently effected by the blood, whihc is another way of producing a Damphyr. Imagine an imortal vampire who's been making thralls in a community for centuries, generation after generation, the cumulative effect perhaps twisting the populace over time. A Dwarf settlement with all sorts of twisted inhabitants, many damphyrs and dwarfs with vampire powers as a result of this constant blood contamination.  

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4 months ago  ::  Feb 18, 2013 - 9:59AM #44
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Just a quick note on the subject of an unborn baby with a turned mother: there is established fiction as to what happens in that scenario.

(For those who don't know/care enough to read it: the mother, through unexplained magic, was given her mortality back. The baby then proceded to continue growing, as it had been in a kind of "necromantic stasis" for a couple hundred years. The effect on the baby, however, was that all traces of the fathers DNA had been completely removed (I don't remember how that worked...) and the child became a nearly perfect clone of the mother.)

Also Blade...(although he was more "In Delivery" then "Prenatal...")
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4 months ago  ::  Feb 18, 2013 - 10:11AM #45
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There is a difference between fiction and lore. Blade isn't exactly lore, although the Damfyre is based on lore. The idea of a protection to the unborn child is likely linked to the survival of a baby via cesarian birth when a woman dies in an accident or by illness, so the idea of the unborn child being carried to term or in stasis until the mother is freed (or slain and the baby removed) is plausible in the existing lore.
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4 months ago  ::  Feb 18, 2013 - 1:56PM #46
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Feb 18, 2013 -- 10:11AM, MrCustomer wrote:

There is a difference between fiction and lore. Blade isn't exactly lore, although the Damfyre is based on lore. The idea of a protection to the unborn child is likely linked to the survival of a baby via cesarian birth when a woman dies in an accident or by illness, so the idea of the unborn child being carried to term or in stasis until the mother is freed (or slain and the baby removed) is plausible in the existing lore.




How dare you say Blade isn't considered lore! *shakes fist* May Wesley Snipes be merciful to you.

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4 months ago  ::  Feb 18, 2013 - 2:06PM #47
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Wait, what does Blade have to do with vampires?

 
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4 months ago  ::  Feb 18, 2013 - 2:07PM #48
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Bleh. Blade is a high level monk with a fluff story, is all. I think the movie "Priest" is a much better done fluff story for the exact same high level monk. Tongue Out
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4 months ago  ::  Feb 19, 2013 - 6:23AM #49
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Feb 18, 2013 -- 1:56PM, Lashius wrote:

How dare you say Blade isn't considered lore! *shakes fist* May Wesley Snipes be merciful to you.




Well, since I believe he isn't scheduled to be released until July I think it's a pretty safe assumption that he'll be merciful in this matter - at least until then.  I mean, he kinda has no choice.

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4 months ago  ::  Feb 19, 2013 - 6:40AM #50
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Just to add to this messed up debate, since we are talking about Vampire's spawning. How about the non-spawned Vampires, the ones that didn't get it from a previous vampire. And imo there is far too little of this in literature.

ie Dracula, sold his soal to the devil. also in legends there were cases of Spontaneous Vampirism, for example it was long suspected that those with red hair were particularly vulnerable. The idea that vamperism can come from making a deal with a devil or by being rejected from the afterlife.  

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