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Feb 15, 2013 -- 11:21AM, EruditeApe wrote:

"Many books?" What, Fifty Shades of Twilight has a sequel? And you actuall read that trash?

No, I don't (though I do have a decent amount of  knowledge of the so called plot from a decent amount of women trying to tell me about the book and try and change my mind about it), but twilight is far from the only vampire book series/story where a vampire has explicitly had relations with a human or another vampire. Anyone ever watched Buffy the Vampire Slayer when they where younger? What about the spin off show Angel? A bunch of vampires in both of those shows had sexual encounters on several occasions.

A friend of mine reads a lot of vampire themed novels with his wife and could probably list at least five separate series that detail vampire/human sexual relationship. It's been a wile since I've delved into anything vampire related myself (so I'm having trouble quoting a title at the moment), and by a wile I mean probably close to a decade since it was around my teens that I read the bulk of anything I had on the matter. But that aside I fail to see how copulation between a vampire and a human immediately makes a book trash, as apposed to humans getting it on.

Twilight is pretty much considered trash by most people I know because Bella Swan is a one dimensional character with no substance and all the men in the book are either stoic abusive types or overly attached possessive types, who pretty much fight over Bella for an undisclosed reason (as her looks are never actually detailed, let alone is she ever described as pretty save for her name means beautiful swan, from what I know her personality is, well, that of a twilight protagonist).

In the end though sex is sex, and provided it isn't done with a minor in a manner that depicts the act as a good thing (as apposed to say something like the book Lolita where pretty much every characters morals where suspect) or an animal or something twisted like that, it's pretty vanilla to me as long as whips, chains, and forceful sodomy aren't brought into the fold.

EDIT: got ninjad by a couple of post prior to putting this up. Draco coverd a few good points, and if I'm not mistaken the origional writer of the true blood series actualy write a decent amount on the seelie and unseelie courts for D&D now that I think of it, though I'm not 100% sure on that. I'll look into that later.

I wouldn't exactly say so. There is a distinct difference between say a written love seen in a movie executed with taste which displays a romantic sentiment and a scene which is purely pornographic. Like I said, what is it exactly about writing a sex scene that detracts from the skill level of what is written? Brent Weeks's Night Angel trilogy depicts plenty of sexual acts, ad does the game of thrones books. Both are decent and well written stories that include sexual encounters. Sometime adult themes need to be addressed in adult stories, and if done with taste can be enriching to the story.

Once again, just because something is done bad, doesn't mean it cant be done good. Romance novels are generally meant to be pumped out fast, poorly written, and to play to the desires of lonely people looking for excitement. They're an industry that thrives on how cheep and easy it is to produce something versus the demand for it. Comparatively, a gourmet hamburger can be exquisitely delicious and well prepared, and just because McDonalds churns out faux beef paddys on cheep buns doesn't rob what a genuine chief can do. A properly written romance plot line in a well written book can be fun and enriching, giving a character the drive to conquer kingdoms and slay gods all for the sake of his romance well humanizing what is essential otherwise something so far removed from oneself. It all comes down to the execution of the writing (although subject matter is important, I can stomach a well written romance novel better than a half assed fantasy novel, well comparatively if I was offered a mediocre version of one or the other, I'd go for the fantasy book).

Feb 15, 2013 -- 11:47AM, Lashius wrote:

 No, I don't (though I do have a decent amount of  knowledge of the so called plot from a decent amount of women trying to tell me about the book and try and change my mind about it), but twilight is far from the only vampire book series/story where a vampire has explicitly had relations with a human or another vampire. Anyone ever watched Buffy the Vampire Slayer when they where younger? What about the spin off show Angel? A bunch of vampires in both of those shows had sexual encounters on several occasions.

The difference is that Whedonpires have blood, breath, a beating heart, and, while cold, are warmer than room temperature. They're demons, rather than glorified zombies.

A friend of mine reads a lot of vampire themed novels with his wife and could probably list at least five separate series that detail vampire/human sexual relationship. It's been a wile since I've delved into anything vampire related myself (so I'm having trouble quoting a title at the moment), and by a wile I mean probably close to a decade since it was around my teens that I read the bulk of anything I had on the matter. But that aside I fail to see how copulation between a vampire and a human immediately makes a book trash, as apposed to humans getting it on.

Uh, necrophillia is gross? Also, every single book in the genre is an attempt to coast on the popularity of Ann Rice or Twiblight.

In the end though sex is sex, and provided it isn't done with a minor in a manner that depicts the act as a good thing (as apposed to say something like the book Lolita where pretty much every characters morals where suspect) or an animal or something twisted like that, it's pretty vanilla to me as long as whips, chains, and forceful sodomy aren't brought into the fold.

I'll say again, necrophillia. Also, teens+creepers over a century old=creepy.

Also, in general, sex scenes are an excuse to distract from a poorly-written crappy plot.

*sigh*

I just spelled it out.  I never said that bad writing in a certain genre means that all writing in said genre must be bad.  What I did say was that anyone can write sex - as evidenced by the ridiculous amount of romance novels on sale as we speak.  Does anyone read what people actually write here?  I swear, it's like talking on the 4e or 5e boards in here today.