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4 months ago ::
Feb 13, 2013 - 3:00PM
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also would it be possible to maybe merge the rules of the board games with proper D&D rules like the monster flow charts that was mentioned above?
i havent seen them so i dont know.
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4 months ago ::
Feb 13, 2013 - 3:14PM
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i was planning on getting a copy of one of the D&D board games like castle ravenloft, as well as what i was planning here.
i have also been told that the pathfinder rule set is more popular then 4e, can i do what i want here with patfinders rules?
i was thinking of grabbing both so i have both anyway but wanted to see if that could be used for DM free play.
No. The board games are designed to not be played with a DM and are based on the 4e ruleset, that is the closest you are going to get. Pathfinder isn't more popular (except with the part of the D&D community that didn't like 4e, but 4e has seen a substantial growth in the number of people who play 4e, so unless you are using a definition of popularity that doesn't involve the number of people playing a game...)
This is a pretty silly idea that will not go well, honestly. A lot of the difficulty of fights is being unaware of the suprises the DM has prepped. If you know, in advance, what is coming up, you will have a very hard time pretending your character doesn't. It is like playing chess against yourself, very few people can do it honestly.
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4 months ago ::
Feb 13, 2013 - 4:16PM
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i was planning on getting a copy of one of the D&D board games like castle ravenloft, as well as what i was planning here.
i have also been told that the pathfinder rule set is more popular then 4e, can i do what i want here with patfinders rules?
i was thinking of grabbing both so i have both anyway but wanted to see if that could be used for DM free play.
No. The board games are designed to not be played with a DM and are based on the 4e ruleset, that is the closest you are going to get. Pathfinder isn't more popular (except with the part of the D&D community that didn't like 4e, but 4e has seen a substantial growth in the number of people who play 4e, so unless you are using a definition of popularity that doesn't involve the number of people playing a game...)
This is a pretty silly idea that will not go well, honestly. A lot of the difficulty of fights is being unaware of the suprises the DM has prepped. If you know, in advance, what is coming up, you will have a very hard time pretending your character doesn't. It is like playing chess against yourself, very few people can do it honestly.
i understand and thats fair enough.
i thought i would ask. and the place i head about pathfinder may have been biased, i am very new to the table top form of D&D up till now my only experience till now has been the PC games like baldurs gate, icewind dale, neverwinter nights and D&D online.
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4 months ago ::
Feb 13, 2013 - 7:24PM
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Pathfinder will require a DM, and is potentially more complex than 4e to learn. It is a modification and extention of the 3.5 edition of D&D using d20 system rules, which is why a lot of 3.5 players went with that instead of the change to 4e which has some significant differences. Pathfinder is probably more "player friendly" than 3.5 in terms of making character death rarer and eliminating the loss of XP from crafting or level drain. 4e made similar changes.
As for the D&D PC games you've played, Baldur's Gate and Icewind Dale are based on the Advanced Dungeons and Dragons 2nd edition rules. Neverwinter Nights was based on 3rd edition, while Neverwinter Nights 2 was based on 3.5 edition. D&D Online was based on 3.5 edition but heavily modified to work more like an MMO (by adding MP, etc)
The upcoming Neverwinter MMO (currently in Beta) will reportedly be based on a modified 4e ruleset.
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4 months ago ::
Feb 13, 2013 - 10:34PM
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Pathfinder will require a DM, and is potentially more complex than 4e to learn. It is a modification and extention of the 3.5 edition of D&D using d20 system rules, which is why a lot of 3.5 players went with that instead of the change to 4e which has some significant differences. Pathfinder is probably more "player friendly" than 3.5 in terms of making character death rarer and eliminating the loss of XP from crafting or level drain. 4e made similar changes.
As for the D&D PC games you've played, Baldur's Gate and Icewind Dale are based on the Advanced Dungeons and Dragons 2nd edition rules. Neverwinter Nights was based on 3rd edition, while Neverwinter Nights 2 was based on 3.5 edition. D&D Online was based on 3.5 edition but heavily modified to work more like an MMO (by adding MP, etc)
The upcoming Neverwinter MMO (currently in Beta) will reportedly be based on a modified 4e ruleset.
awesome thx for the rundown. is 4e not a traditional D20 system?
also u have a copy of the red box, i have barely touched it, what rule set is that is it 3.5 or 4e
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4 months ago ::
Feb 14, 2013 - 6:35AM
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4e is not a "d20 System" at all. Completely new, completely different.
D&D Next = D&D: Quantum Edition
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4 months ago ::
Feb 14, 2013 - 1:51PM
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Just to clarify on what Mand said, "d20 System" was a core game system that WoTC published in 2000. D&D 3.0, D&D 3.5, Pathfinder, D20 Modern, and the Star Wars Roleplaying game are all extensions and/or revisions of the "d20 System"
Prior version of Dungeons and Dragons and 4e all use 20-sided dice in their gameplay, but are not part of the "d20 System" rules.
If you do a google search for "d20 srd" you'll find quick links to the System Reference Document (srd) for the core d20 System, as well as Pathfinder SRD and some of the other extensions of d20. d20srd.org is a great reference site for D&D 3.5.
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4 months ago ::
Feb 14, 2013 - 3:54PM
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Thinking back - Be warned - we have found being a DM addictive - - We had a similar situation to You we wanted to play - no one wanted to DM - went with one player DM and played a char - - - BUT it is a lot of fun to play the NPC's etc, and amusing you fellow players (with you world interactions), so poeple evolved to prefer DMing - then another player would try it and found they preferred DMing to playing. Its not for everyone but it can be fun.
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4 months ago ::
Feb 14, 2013 - 11:12PM
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thanks for all the great info guys  its great to see there are still some decent online forum communities. it really is a rare thing now. you have all been very helpful and patient even tho some of my questions if not all exeuded noob :P
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