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Not sure why but something about having every cleric cast lance of faith and every wizard cast ray of frost gets incredibly boring.

I realize that fighters and archers perform the same action ad nauseum but with mundane weapons it seems normal to go through the motions.  What else are you going to do with a swords other than attack someone with it?  It doesn't require any magical energy so it seems reasonable that sword attacks have an inexhaustable supply.

Having to come up with insightful maneuvers for fighters doesn't help.  I don't want the game to be about the combat anyway except as a device to move the plot and story forward.  The fights should injure the players, give them some insight into the enemies they face but I don't want to waste hours moving miniatures around a grid with dozens of different maneuvers to use.

What if cantrips didn't have such a specific description?  May that would help.  Or maybe not.  I guess spellcaster need some incentive to use mundane weapons.  Right now they have none.

Anyone else tired of Lance of Faith and Ray of Frost?  More cantrips won't help either.  I guess it is just supernatural fatigue.  Clerics and Wizards should have to use mundane weapons occasionally.  Just like Gandalf.  Although he had Glamdring, the Foehammer.

Feb 12, 2013 -- 4:21PM, xladyfayre wrote:

I disagree. I see that as a seperate class like PF's Magus. 

What about players who do not want to play Gandalf but want a wizard?  

Do you like the clerics casting Lance of Faith and the Wizards casting Ray of Frost.  I'd rather they attack with weapons occasionally.  Seems they shouldn't even be armed since weapons are less effective than their at will cantrips.

I guess the opposite is also useless.  Having cantrips that cause 1 point of damage.   

Feb 12, 2013 -- 4:39PM, kezzek wrote:

Feb 12, 2013 -- 4:21PM, xladyfayre wrote:

I disagree. I see that as a seperate class like PF's Magus. 

What about players who do not want to play Gandalf but want a wizard?  

Do you like the clerics casting Lance of Faith and the Wizards casting Ray of Frost.  I'd rather they attack with weapons occasionally.  Seems they shouldn't even be armed since weapons are less effective than their at will cantrips.

I guess the opposite is also useless.  Having cantrips that cause 1 point of damage.   

If I wanted to play an attacker I'd play a barbarian or a fighter. If I wanted a cleric that attacks with a weapon I simply would choose an archtype that does. If I wanted to play a wizard/attacker hybrid I'd play a PF Magus. When I choose to play a wizard I envision a ranged controler or pinger what never gets close to the enemy. If cantrips only did one point of damager I'd go play something other than Next or I'd house rule. It would make wizards not very fun if they nerfed them and required weapons. Such an option should exist but honestly it should be its own class and attack should be better than normal wizard attack. A wizard who attacks isnt fun because it would never hit. It sounds like you do not want to play a wizard but a Magus. Magus is really fun and I do hope that Next ends up with something similar but I wouldn't want Wizard to become that. 

I like having wizards who have to fight with mundane weapons occasionally but then, pa-pow, they put all the goblins to sleep or throw a fireball into the orc camp or something.

Honestly, though, the cleric's Lance of Faith is more bothersome than the Ray of Frost. Clerics never use anything but Lance of Faith now.  Even the Arcanist find that Lance of Faith is better than the Wizards cantrips.

 

Feb 12, 2013 -- 5:12PM, greatfrito wrote:

"Wizard Caster that doesn't have always-on-magic" really should be an option - hell, maybe even two options ("Doesn't have always-on-magic, and doesn't know how you use any weapon" and "Doesn't have always-on-magic, but does know how to use a few token weapons").

That's why I think it should be its own class. This way both options are still there and work. I don't think it would be fun to play a weapon wielding wizard with a much lower attack.