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4 months ago ::
Feb 12, 2013 - 3:22AM
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I might have this post ganked by the mods, because it is not open game license. And sorry it took me so long to get back to you, I got drunk and passed out. (There, I admit it.) Here: Weapon FamiliaritySome races are associated with specific exotic weapons, such as dwarves and the dwarven waraxe. The Player’s Handbook grants weapon familiarity to these races, allowing them to treat certain exotic weapons as martial weapons. With the limited number of race-specific exotic weapons in the Player’s Handbook, this doesn’t give any one race an unfair advantage. However, if you introduce more race-specific exotic weapons, the advantage increases in significance.
To compensate, consider limiting the number of exotic weapons that a given character of that race can treat as familiar to no more than the number of weapons associated with the race in the Player’s Handbook (or in the Monster Manual for orcs). Thus, a given dwarf fighter might be able to treat the dwarven waraxe and the dwarven buckler-axe as martial weapons, but would have to treat the dwarven urgrosh as an exotic weapon. A gnome ranger could treat the gnome hooked hammer or the gnome tortoise blade (a new weapon) as a martial weapon, but not both. An elf fighter can’t treat any exotic weapons as martial weapons, since elves don’t have weapon familiarity with any
exotic weapons according to the Player’s Handbook. Characters who wish to master all their race’s exotic weapons can select theImproved Weapon Familiarity feat.
If the character must choose which exotic weapons to treat as martial weapons, this decision should be made the first time the character gains profi ciency in all martial weapons (at 1st level for a barbarian, fighter, paladin, or ranger, or the first time a character gains a level in any of those classes or any prestige class that grants proficiency in all martial weapons). Once the decision is made, it can’t be changed; however, the DM may allow characters to change their decisions if new race-specific exotic weapons are later introduced to the game.
Even if a character treats an exotic weapon as a martial weapon thanks to weapon familiarity, it is still treated as an exotic weapon for the purpose of qualifying for feats, prestige classes, or other benefi ts that require the character to be skilled in the use of an exotic weapon. Source: Complete Warrior
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4 months ago ::
Feb 12, 2013 - 7:11AM
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Elfs get the longsword, rapier, longbow, shortbow, composite bows as extra weapon proficiency feats, regardless of what class they are.
Which is far greater then the Dwarfs who only get their two weapons as martial instead of exotic. ie a Dwarfen Rogue or Cleric doesn't get Martial weapons and so wouldstill have to pick up the extra feat to use these. It only gives access to those classes that have Martial Weapons (Fighter, Paladin, Ranger and Barbarian)
So as long as the Elfen weapons are longsword, rapier, longbow or shortbow, they are available for Elfs, so it would be best to design weapons around these, magical weapons or varients on these weapons (ie long rapier) that can still be used by those with the proficiency.
Racial Exotic weapons may not be common to all of that race, they might be used by a limited number of that race. ie the description for Elfen Thinblade is that it is comon for Elf Lords to use it, which means it may still be exotic even among elfs.
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4 months ago ::
Feb 12, 2013 - 8:40AM
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doesnt the elven thinblade count as a rapier for feats? so elves would be familiar with it, cause thwy would get profency(rapier) as a bonus feat
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4 months ago ::
Feb 12, 2013 - 8:46AM
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Seeron, that is indeed a very interesting post/point. You have to realize that many sources and many writers mean that nobody talked to each other as the years went by. But I believe that you are correct, and that the term you mean is "shared proficiency" or "shared focus". I'll have to look that up at some point.
My gut reaction is that to say, nope. Elves are fricken cool, but it's just not fair to make them more cool.
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4 months ago ::
Feb 12, 2013 - 8:52AM
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Y but the PHB should have been avaible while they created CW. So the synergy, if it exsists, should have been intendes
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4 months ago ::
Feb 12, 2013 - 9:10AM
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Seeron, there are several weapons out there, notably I beleive in the arms and Equipment guide (although that is 3.0 really) there is some rapier varients. Usually that is mentioned in the weapon description. If it is a Rapier or Longsword, then Yes, Elfs would be proficient in them.
The description in the book says they are "rapier Like" but gives no rules saying that they are rapier, or that rapier feats applie also to them. However if you read the entry in the book regarding weapn familiarity, it suggests allowing to trade out new racial weapons with the existing one. Ie an Elf decides to add ThinBlade but sacrifices his weapon preficiency with Rapiers to do so.
Note the book describes the Elfen Lightblade as "rapier like" but then says that elfen nobles often carry the lightblade as a sign of their station, "even if they aren't proficient in its use" So the book does not really suggest that all elfs are profiecient in it the same as they are Rapiers.
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4 months ago ::
Feb 12, 2013 - 9:28AM
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i was having the Races of the Wild version in my mind. But it also nly says; "Characters proficient with this weapon may treat it as a shortword or a rapier for the purpose of the follwing feats:..." So you have to be proficient to get this benefit. Sad.
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4 months ago ::
Feb 12, 2013 - 9:38AM
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Aye those feats list specific weapons that can be used with them, ie Weapon Finesse states: "With a light weapon, rapier, whip, or spiked chain" so that entry just adds the weapon to the feat's list.
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4 months ago ::
Feb 12, 2013 - 9:43AM
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na it also helps, when you have a lightblade and a thinblade, you olnly need Weapon focus(rapier) of get it on both of them
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