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3 months ago ::
Feb 10, 2013 - 10:26PM
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OK, so I have a specific question as it relates to a character I'm building, and then some general questions surrounding that one.
1. Can the Shadow-Wrought Weapon from the Unseelie Agent theme (Heroes of the Feywild, pg 114) be a ki focus for my vampire character?
2. What can, or cannot, be a ki focus? I can't find any concrete rules for this in any of the books, but I might be looking at the wrong books, or the wrong places. Since there are no restrictions, it looks like you can choose any item to be your ki focus, even a magic weapon or implement.
3. Assuming weapons can be ki foci, is it possible for a weapon to be a superior ki focus, or does that have to be an item that is specifically nothing but a ki focus. Obviously, the Shadow-Wrought Weapon cannot be a superior ki focus... right?
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3 months ago ::
Feb 11, 2013 - 12:46AM
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1: No.
2: A Ki Focus is an item in and of itself.
3: Weapons cannot be ki foci.
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3 months ago ::
Feb 11, 2013 - 1:03AM
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1: No.
2: A Ki Focus is an item in and of itself.
3: Weapons cannot be ki foci.
Any rules to cite?
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3 months ago ::
Feb 11, 2013 - 1:08AM
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Not to hand, no, but I'm sure someone else can help if you're going to ignore mine.
Ki Foci are not weapons, weapons are not Ki Foci, they are subject to separate rules. Read the RC, or Heroes of Shadow, or PHB3.
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3 months ago ::
Feb 11, 2013 - 1:15AM
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Not to hand, no, but I'm sure someone else can help if you're going to ignore mine.
Ki Foci are not weapons, weapons are not Ki Foci, they are subject to separate rules. Read the RC, or Heroes of Shadow, or PHB3.
I'm not ignoring you; I'm just asking for a rules quote that supports your position. I've already mentioned that I've looked at all the rules regarding ki foci that I can find, and I don't see anything concrete either way. Add to that that I've seen threads on this and other sites say it both ways, and my request for rules validation is hardly suspect.
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3 months ago ::
Feb 11, 2013 - 2:37AM
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OK; show me the rule that says I'm wrong.
There isn't one, by the way.
Flavour-wise, a Ki Focus could be anything (or, indeed, it could be nothing other than a manifestation of your character's inner focus. On his Ki).
Mechanically, however, it is a specific item called a Ki Focus, which has Ki Focus-specific enchantments, Ki Focus-specific feats, Ki Focus-specific Superior versions, and is not anything other than a Ki Focus.
If you;re looking for a rule that will tell you a Ki Focus can be a weapon, there isn't one, because it can't be (or, indeed vice versa).
So no, I can;t provide rules quotes to prove a negative, because that's not how this system works.
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3 months ago ::
Feb 11, 2013 - 6:57AM
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Not to hand, no, but I'm sure someone else can help if you're going to ignore mine.
Ki Foci are not weapons, weapons are not Ki Foci, they are subject to separate rules. Read the RC, or Heroes of Shadow, or PHB3.
I'm not ignoring you; I'm just asking for a rules quote that supports your position. I've already mentioned that I've looked at all the rules regarding ki foci that I can find, and I don't see anything concrete either way. Add to that that I've seen threads on this and other sites say it both ways, and my request for rules validation is hardly suspect.
What you're doing is like asking for the rule that says that an axe is not a horse. There isn't one, but that does not mean that an axe is a horse.
This is not how exception-based design works. A lack of a rule prohibiting something does not mean that the thing is allowed. It has to say it is allowed, explicitly. The logic you're employing is fundamentally flawed when applied to D&D 4e, to the point where we've given it a name: the Munchkin fallacy.
D&D Next = D&D: Quantum Edition
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3 months ago ::
Feb 11, 2013 - 7:11AM
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Ki Focus is a kooky one to deal with but it is akin to the Holy Symbol. Ki FocusesA Ki focus is an implement that certain characters use as a focus for their inner magical energy, known as ki. A ki focus might take the form of a training manual, a scroll of ancient secrets, a blunt training weapon, or a cherished memento. The ki focus that you are attuned to occupies your ki focus item slot.
Using a Ki Focus: Once you have attuned yourself to a ki focus, you must either wear it or hold it in order to use it as an implement.
Ki Focuses and Weapon Attacks: If you use a magic ki focus, you can add its enhancement bonus to the attack rolls and the damage rolls of weapon attacks you make using a weapon with which you have proficiency. If you have both a magic ki focus and a magic weapon, you choose before you use an attack power whether to draw on the magic of the ki focus or that of the weapon. Your choice determines which enhancement bonus, critical hit effects, and magic item properties and powers you can apply to that power. You can’t, for example, use the enhancement bonus of your ki focus and the critical hit effect of your magic weapon on the same attack. Now in the Compendium search it is listed under the Weapon category and Accessories type. When purchasing a Ki Foci it is found under the Implement category. (Not rules sources, just citing accessible materials). Unseelie Agent Starting Feature (1st level): You gain the create shadow-wrought weapon power. When you select the Unseelie agent theme, choose a melee weapon or a ranged weapon with which you have proficiency. The weapon created by this power is the same kind of weapon.
Edits are mine to highlight specific texts.
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3 months ago ::
Feb 11, 2013 - 7:34AM
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A ki focus might take the form of a blunt training weapon
Its about the only weapon it can be whatever that is...
Yan
Montréal, Canada
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3 months ago ::
Feb 11, 2013 - 8:11AM
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A ki focus might take the form of a blunt training weapon
Its about the only weapon it can be whatever that is...
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I would guess it may be reffering to these but it still would not make it a weapon for the purposes of the shadow-wrought weapon.
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