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4 months ago  ::  Feb 11, 2013 - 8:58AM #11
Plaguescarred
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I agree there. 
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4 months ago  ::  Feb 11, 2013 - 10:03AM #12
Scatterbrained
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Feb 10, 2013 -- 10:26PM, Novacat wrote:

1. Can the Shadow-Wrought Weapon from the Unseelie Agent theme (Heroes of the Feywild, pg 114) be a ki focus for my vampire character?


As ez has pointed out a ki focus is an implement, and the shadow wrought weapon must be a melee or ranged weapon. The primary rules are listed in the PH3. The fluff says it can take any form, but it doesn't call it a weapon, just like a Wand of Cold may be described as a sharp icicle, but you still can't stab anyone with it.

I guess another rule to site is that you must have proficiency in a weapon to wield it correctly, and vampire only gets proficiency in ki focuses specifically as an implement. So even if your ki focus is a big awesome sword, you are not proficient in the use of that sword as a weapon.

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4 months ago  ::  Feb 11, 2013 - 3:08PM #13
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OK, so the key misunderstanding that I had appears to be that, while a ki focus can be a variety of items, it is never ALSO another kind of item. The description of them in the PHB3 didn't make that entirely clear. It gave a vague, broad category of items that could be ki foci, and didn't elaborate on what qualifies.

Thanks, folks.

BTW, the Rules Q&A board here is still a lot less friendly than the Magic Rules Q&A board. Might want to work on that.
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4 months ago  ::  Feb 11, 2013 - 3:14PM #14
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Feb 11, 2013 -- 3:08PM, Novacat wrote:

BTW, the Rules Q&A board here is still a lot less friendly than the Magic Rules Q&A board. Might want to work on that.[/size]




Guess what, come hang out in the Char-op forum. I don't come here that often but this place has nothing on us over there.

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4 months ago  ::  Feb 11, 2013 - 3:17PM #15
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Feb 11, 2013 -- 3:14PM, ezrider23 wrote:

Feb 11, 2013 -- 3:08PM, Novacat wrote:

BTW, the Rules Q&A board here is still a lot less friendly than the Magic Rules Q&A board. Might want to work on that.[/size]




Guess what, come hang out in the Char-op forum. I don't come here that often but this place has nothing on us over there.



I spent about an hour before posting this question, searching the books and trying to find the answer with Google. I prefer not to ask questions here. But, hey, I got my answer, and just in time for it not to matter for my character (decided it was a dumb idea to begin with... awesome, but dumb).

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4 months ago  ::  Feb 11, 2013 - 3:29PM #16
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Feb 11, 2013 -- 3:17PM, Novacat wrote:

Feb 11, 2013 -- 3:14PM, ezrider23 wrote:

Feb 11, 2013 -- 3:08PM, Novacat wrote:

BTW, the Rules Q&A board here is still a lot less friendly than the Magic Rules Q&A board. Might want to work on that.[/size]




Guess what, come hang out in the Char-op forum. I don't come here that often but this place has nothing on us over there.



I spent about an hour before posting this question, searching the books and trying to find the answer with Google. I prefer not to ask questions here. But, hey, I got my answer, and just in time for it not to matter for my character (decided it was a dumb idea to begin with... awesome, but dumb).



And you got some pretty reasonable people to help you out in this thread. theSpace, Mand,Plague and Scatterbrained are usually not the types to jump on folks to quickly that i've ever seen. I am usually not one to be uncivil to most because frankly there's enough of that on these boards but folks have bad days sometimes.

Never "be affraid" to ask questions just be sure to put on a thick suit of Plate when you do because sometimes it can get rough.

Edit: trust me, i've spent way more time working on builds, frankly more than i care to mention,  that never, ever, evahhh see the light of day. And none of them are "Char-OP, look at what i did" builds.

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4 months ago  ::  Feb 11, 2013 - 3:58PM #17
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If we came off a bit harsh, it's because over the past few days, there's been a rash of people coming in, asking questions they know, but don't like, the answers to, and arguing when they're told those answers.  This felt a lot like one of those threads.

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4 months ago  ::  Feb 11, 2013 - 4:00PM #18
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Feb 11, 2013 -- 3:08PM, Novacat wrote:

BTW, the Rules Q&A board here is still a lot less friendly than the Magic Rules Q&A board. Might want to work on that.


Hey, thanks for saying all the people who answered your question shouldn't have bothered wasting their time helping you. Nice attitude.

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4 months ago  ::  Feb 11, 2013 - 4:52PM #19
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Feb 11, 2013 -- 3:08PM, Novacat wrote:

OK, so the key misunderstanding that I had appears to be that, while a ki focus can be a variety of items, it is never ALSO another kind of item. The description of them in the PHB3 didn't make that entirely clear. It gave a vague, broad category of items that could be ki foci, and didn't elaborate on what qualifies.

Thanks, folks.

BTW, the Rules Q&A board here is still a lot less friendly than the Magic Rules Q&A board. Might want to work on that.



Assuming you know the answer and ignoring people who contradict you is what is unfriendly, not answering your question and explaining why your reasoning is flawed.

If you think being told you're wrong is a personal attack, then no, we won't seem friendly.  But the point is that we answer the question, period, regardless of who is asking it or why.

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3 months ago  ::  Feb 13, 2013 - 2:05AM #20
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Not to seem ungrateful for the help... I am grateful, and I came away from this thread with a better understanding of a rules mechanic that had somewhat confused me for some time now, but here's what I meant when I said that this Rules Q&A board is less friendly than the Magic RQ&A...

Here's how the Magic Rules Q&A board works:
Me: Does X work?
Answer: No.
Me: Why not?
Answer: Rule [citing rule here]. Your misunderstanding seems to be rooted in a misconception that X can be a Y, while it is defined specifically as a Z instead.

Here's how it works on this board (at least, how it always feels to me):
Me: Does this work?
Answer: No.
Me: Why not?
Answer: Because it doesn't. Get a clue. 
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