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4 months ago ::
Feb 09, 2013 - 6:19PM
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So what exactly is force damage? Why are creatures that are ethereal not immune to it?
This was something that bothered me in the Monster Manual of 4e that ghosts ethereal trait was vulnerable to force damage.
In the interests of keeping damage types trim, can spells that do force damage do Bludgeoning or Thunder damage instead?
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4 months ago ::
Feb 09, 2013 - 6:23PM
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I think the "force" effect transcends all dimensions that overlap the prime material. Thus ethereal beings are struck. I believe force damage is mostly bludgeoning damage. But in theory it could be any type. I suppose a force blade could slice.
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4 months ago ::
Feb 09, 2013 - 6:25PM
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Force damage is usually a magical invisible kinetic energy which ethereal creatures can rarely resist (How To Play PDF pg. 16)
Yan
Montréal, Canada
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4 months ago ::
Feb 09, 2013 - 6:48PM
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Thanks for quoting the passage I'm wondering about Plaguescarred. Does that sentence make sense? Should the designers think about rewriting it because it doesn't really mean what kinetic is?
Personally I think Force should be struck from Pg. 16 and ethereal creatures should be unable to resist psychic damage.
Wizard Spells that do "force" damage should be Bludgeoning damage, or like cloud of daggers which did "force" damage in 4e should do "piercing" damage.
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4 months ago ::
Feb 09, 2013 - 7:04PM
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Force is actually confusing. There are two different kinds of "force".
Force = gravity, acceleration, structural stress, atmospheric pressure, detonation, explosion, global kinetic damage, telekinesis.
Force = an object made out of force.
In the first definition, “force” should probably include “thunder” damage, in the sense of detonation. Maybe “sonic” vibration too, in the sense of structural stress.
The second definition should probably deal whatever damage the virtual object deals, in other words, pierce, slash, or bludgeon.
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4 months ago ::
Feb 09, 2013 - 7:11PM
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I alway envisioned "force" damage as pure magic. It's magical force. That's why magic missiles inflict force damage. So have no trouble envisioning that magic transcends the dimensional barrier between here and the ether.
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4 months ago ::
Feb 09, 2013 - 7:23PM
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I alway envisioned "force" damage as pure magic. It's magical force. That's why magic missiles inflict force damage. So have no trouble envisioning that magic transcends the dimensional barrier between here and the ether.
As noted, spell descriptions and items like Force Beads, generally describe “force” as a detonation, and explosive energy.
In the Playtest, the Magic Missile description specifically mentions “magical force” and then continues to describe an explosive detonation:
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Those who have been struck by this spell and survived describe a piercing pain that seems to pass through the body and out the other side. This spell leaves its victims bruised and can even break bones.
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4 months ago ::
Feb 09, 2013 - 7:30PM
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ethereal creatures should be unable to resist psychic damage
I agree.
Yan
Montréal, Canada
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4 months ago ::
Feb 09, 2013 - 7:37PM
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ethereal creatures should be unable to resist psychic damage
I agree.
Me agree too.
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4 months ago ::
Feb 09, 2013 - 7:43PM
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ethereal creatures should be unable to resist psychic damage
I agree.
This goes back to 3E when undead where immune to mind effecting powers, so force was as good as anything else for something that did full damage. Now (5e) has force, necrotic, psychic, or radiant damage do full damage to ethereal. Now Incorporeal is only damaged by force and radiant.
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