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4 months ago  ::  Feb 09, 2013 - 1:40PM #1
ChadTheBad
Date Joined: Apr 21, 2009
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I have my Tome Caddy running loose helping my summoned creature and I'm wielding my Quarterstaff two-handed for the Hafted Defense Feat. If I use Duel Implement Spellcaster and my Familiar's Book Bearer Benefit which implement is considered as off hanedd? I believe it's my staff. Thank you kindly.
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4 months ago  ::  Feb 09, 2013 - 2:20PM #2
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Neither, unless you take Staff Fighting.
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4 months ago  ::  Feb 09, 2013 - 2:41PM #3
ChadTheBad
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Are you sure as the staff is wielded in both my main and off hand while Book Bearer allows me to wield a tome handless?
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4 months ago  ::  Feb 09, 2013 - 3:17PM #4
LordOfWeasels
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Feb 9, 2013 -- 2:41PM, ChadTheBad wrote:

Are you sure as the staff is wielded in both my main and off hand while Book Bearer allows me to wield a tome handless?




The staff is not a second implement in your off hand.  The tome is not a second implement in your off hand.  Since neither is a second implement in your off hand, neither counts for DIS.

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4 months ago  ::  Feb 09, 2013 - 8:22PM #5
ChadTheBad
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Feb 9, 2013 -- 3:17PM, LordOfWeasels wrote:

Feb 9, 2013 -- 2:41PM, ChadTheBad wrote:

Are you sure as the staff is wielded in both my main and off hand while Book Bearer allows me to wield a tome handless?




The staff is not a second implement in your off hand.  The tome is not a second implement in your off hand.  Since neither is a second implement in your off hand, neither counts for DIS.




I'm attacking with the tome, so why wouldn't the staff be the second implement? Additionally, how is the staff not in my off hand as I'm holding it with both hands?

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4 months ago  ::  Feb 09, 2013 - 8:22PM #6
LolaBonne
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The staff is not a SECOND implement.  It is the same implement.
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4 months ago  ::  Feb 09, 2013 - 8:24PM #7
ChadTheBad
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No the staff is another implement as I'm attacking with the tome granted by my familiar.
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4 months ago  ::  Feb 09, 2013 - 8:43PM #8
Matyr
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Right but you aren't holding the tome.  So you only have 1 implement in your hands.  So no DiS.
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4 months ago  ::  Feb 09, 2013 - 8:50PM #9
ChadTheBad
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Exactly, I have an arcane implement in both hands, sure it's the same one, but it's in both hands. Nowhere does it state two individual implements, just that both hands are occupied.
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4 months ago  ::  Feb 09, 2013 - 8:54PM #10
LolaBonne
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The feat specifies 'both implements', which means you need one implement in one hand, and a different implement in the other hand.
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