It seems you still don't understand the price difference between a morphing weapon and a non-morphing weapon, or really even how double weapons interact with enhancements. So, yeah, your concession is accepted. Now why don't you just run along and maybe come back with a decent understanding of the rules?
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It seems you still don't understand the price difference between a morphing weapon and a non-morphing weapon, or really even how double weapons interact with enhancements. So, yeah, your concession is accepted. Now why don't you just run along and maybe come back with a decent understanding of the rules?
The morphing ability has special rules for double weapons, which you'd know if you had read it and tried to conduct a considerate conversation instead of wasting time trying to be condescending.
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It's not condescension if the two sides are unequal. Like this case, apparently.
I see you're still trying to beat that condescension method back into life, though it will remain as unproductive as before.
You've conspicuously failed to mention the morphing ability we were discussing; have you now gone back to read the ability and understand its function with regard to double weapons?
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Slagger, I think EA's argument is more along the lines of a 'best gold to spend by level' then a 'best weapon to have'.
Simply put, he's minimizing his gold layout to get around a very specific type of damage reduction. If you are at low levels and gold is precious, this is a very good tactic. Of course, an even better tactic is just have the cold iron weapon, and GMW it...
Question for you on the morphing weapon. Let's say you had the ends of your Quarterstaff treated so that one end qualifies as cold iron, the other as silver. One head has morphing. Can you make 'either' end of hte staff dominant, so it qualifies as either one, on demand?
In any case, I understand your argument for Morphing. It's totally worth 8k gp to have a slashing, piercing or bludgeoning weapon with the full +5 bonus available whenever you want, vs having to 'trade down' to a +1 Cold Iron weapon, which EA thinks is the best play. It's even better if you get the Adaptive enhancement, so the alternate weapon forms get your weapon focus/spec bonuses...and your main weapon is +1/+1 when you don't need to change the form!
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Simply put, he's minimizing his gold layout to get around a very specific type of damage reduction. If you are at low levels and gold is precious, this is a very good tactic. Of course, an even better tactic is just have the cold iron weapon, and GMW it...
Having a backup weapon is definitely useful insurance (even if you have morphing), and you obviously wouldn't drop the money on morphing if you couldn't reasonably afford it. There isn't really an option that's best at every level and in every circumstance.
Using morphing a double weapon is definitely a trick for the higher levels, where you've got powerful enchantments on your main weapon.
Question for you on the morphing weapon. Let's say you had the ends of your Quarterstaff treated so that one end qualifies as cold iron, the other as silver. One head has morphing. Can you make 'either' end of hte staff dominant, so it qualifies as either one, on demand?
The relevant sentence says:
"If a double weapon created with the morphing property becomes a single weapon, it can have the properties of either end of the original double weapon."
So, for your example, you could presumably choose to have the resulting weapon be either cold iron (with whatever enchantments you had on the cold iron end), or silver (with whatever enchantments you had on the silver end).
In any case, I understand your argument for Morphing. It's totally worth 8k gp to have a slashing, piercing or bludgeoning weapon with the full +5 bonus available whenever you want, vs having to 'trade down' to a +1 Cold Iron weapon, which EA thinks is the best play. It's even better if you get the Adaptive enhancement, so the alternate weapon forms get your weapon focus/spec bonuses...and your main weapon is +1/+1 when you don't need to change the form!
I'd throw in metalline as well (especially for the slight silliness of having it on a wooden base weapon), but it's more expensive, doesn't have morphing's double weapon clause, and there are other options to cover most of those damage reduction types that exist on independent items (and hence won't crank up the enhancement bonus costs).
If you're a dwarf or a gnome with appropriate martial proficiency, you could use the urgrosh and gnome hooked hammer (respectively) instead of the quarterstaff, while still having a proficient weapon if someone shuts down the magic. Though they wouldn't have that nice elvencraft longbow option that gives you a ranged weapon as well.
It ends up with a funny case of potentially having three different weapon enchantments on the one physical item (one as a longbow, two on the two ends of it as a quarterstaff), though sadly the morphing ability wouldn't allow you to include any longbow enchantments when it morphs, since they're not on one of the double weapon ends.
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Another idea for race: Vanara from OA. It's got no LA, and give +2 Int, +2 Wis at the expense of -2 Str.
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Is Evasion needed for a pre-req? Otherwise, it could be dropped for the Invisible Fist ACF from Exemplars of Evil (no actual evil alignment required), which lets you turn invisible once every three rounds.
This is another fun one, and not what I expected. I've been messing around with an ascetic hunter build that focuses on stunning, but this manages to eclipse it handily. Mine comes out with similar stun DC numbers (Ascetic Hunter adding 1/2 your favored enemy bonus to the DC helps a lot), but the build has to dedicate 3/4 of its feats to pulling that off, and can't afford other feats that would add some utility.
...I'd love to switch it to an Int focus via Carmendine Monk and add in Sword of the Arcane Order, so that I can add in some decent casting with the ranger chassis, but trying to do so gets messy.
