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5 months ago ::
Feb 08, 2013 - 11:09AM
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Tell him to use the tiles/minis, or someone else who is willing to accomodate the group's needs will DM; simple as that.
I don't see why he wants to use only grid paper, when the tiles are already grid-marked themselves and minis are a better visual than X's & O's and whatever the hell he could draw on the paper...
Your DM needs to join the rest of us in the 21st century. Or the 4e era. Or whatever.
Bring a wet/dry erase battlemat to the game and give him some markers and watch the lightbulb turn on over his head. Just like graph paper only bigger. As for minis, sure, they're great, but you can use anything ... minis, pogs, pieces of paper, whatever. I think when he sees how much easier it makes the tactica aspect of the game he will love it. He might also realize that he can't get away with fudging positions, ranges, etc. anymore, and might hate that ... but he should try playing by the rules first.
If he's one of those folks who likes to make huge, intricate labyrinths that won't easily fit on a dry-erase mat, okay, I see where he's coming from, but you really only need the tiles or mat for combat situations. For exploration you can still use graph paper since you can fit more on one piece. But let's face it, most people don't get a kick out of mapping every corner of a dungeon anyway ... I wouldn't be surprised if most of the group would be happy with just a verbal description or handwaving the huge empty parts of the dungeon.
OD&D, 1E and 2E challenged the player.
3E challenged the character, not the player.
Now 4E takes it a step further by challenging a GROUP OF PLAYERS to work together as a TEAM.
That's why I love 4E.
"Your ability to summon a horde of celestial superbeings at will is making my ... BMX skills look a bit redundant."
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5 months ago ::
Feb 08, 2013 - 2:32PM
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Date Joined:
Mar 13, 2012
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Tell him to use the tiles/minis, or someone else who is willing to accomodate the group's needs will DM; simple as that.
I don't see why he wants to use only grid paper, when the tiles are already grid-marked themselves and minis are a better visual than X's & O's and whatever the hell he could draw on the paper...
Your DM needs to join the rest of us in the 21st century. Or the 4e era. Or whatever.
Bring a wet/dry erase battlemat to the game and give him some markers and watch the lightbulb turn on over his head. Just like graph paper only bigger. As for minis, sure, they're great, but you can use anything ... minis, pogs, pieces of paper, whatever. I think when he sees how much easier it makes the tactica aspect of the game he will love it. He might also realize that he can't get away with fudging positions, ranges, etc. anymore, and might hate that ... but he should try playing by the rules first.
If he's one of those folks who likes to make huge, intricate labyrinths that won't easily fit on a dry-erase mat, okay, I see where he's coming from, but you really only need the tiles or mat for combat situations. For exploration you can still use graph paper since you can fit more on one piece. But let's face it, most people don't get a kick out of mapping every corner of a dungeon anyway ... I wouldn't be surprised if most of the group would be happy with just a verbal description or handwaving the huge empty parts of the dungeon.
Yeah i hear ya ll, heres the funny thing though. When he is a player in one of my games, he loves the tiles and minis cause he is also a very taactical player, so he really enjoyrs, couting this and that and seeing what he can do. I just dont get that now that i want to take a break from DMing, he wants to be all tough and old school. lol makes no sense.
Hes DMed before and is pretty good at it. we will see i guess.
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5 months ago ::
Feb 08, 2013 - 3:56PM
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Date Joined:
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Your DM needs to join the rest of us in the 21st century. Or the 4e era. Or whatever.
Bring a wet/dry erase battlemat to the game and give him some markers
If the group provides the mat, the markers and the minis, in addition to requesting as a group to use more visual representations for combat and movement, see what the GM will do and say.
If the GM still says no, then you have a choice:
1. accept his way if you wish to continue play in his game
2. leave the group
3. give the GM a break from GMing, let him be a player in a game you will GM with minis, mats and markers (maybe he will like it and allow it after his break is done)
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5 months ago ::
Feb 09, 2013 - 9:53PM
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Date Joined:
Aug 31, 2009
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I have tons of tiles but I still use them for maybe 1/10 of my encounters because they just limit what you can build so much.
Are you sure he's against using minis at all or just doesn't like tiles? As like 6 other people have mentioned so far, battlemats provide all the flexibility of graph paper with the size and physicality of tiles. Seems like the perfect compromise.
If he isn't ready to invest in a mat without trying it, many types of giftwrapping paper have 1-inch grids on the back side. A couple bucks can get you enough big graph paper for a few test sessions.
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