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4 months ago  ::  Feb 05, 2013 - 12:31PM #1
dbmoore
Date Joined: Aug 5, 2008
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So the other night during a game session our Halfling rogue was getting attacked by hobgoblin and when I rolled the attack the hobgoblin missed by 1. She said out loud "Thank goodness for two-weapon defense!"

There was a brief pause and then three of us almost said at once "but you only have ranged weapons in both hands?" Sure enough she had a sling in one hand and a dart in the other.

To our shock based on the current rules her defense was +1 as long as she had two weapons in each hand that she was proficient with. We really assumed that at least one of them would have to be a melee weapon.
So we let the two weapon defense stand but it seemed a bit off to most of us. AKA if you held two darts or any two small ranged weapons you can think of and you had the feat two weapon defense you'd gain the +1 to AC. 
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4 months ago  ::  Feb 05, 2013 - 3:12PM #2
Chameleon-X
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Well, I guess you could say she used the sling to tie up the weapon mid-swing, but two darts wouldn't make much sense.
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4 months ago  ::  Feb 05, 2013 - 5:58PM #3
Indra22
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It should only apply to melee weapons.  Maybe it was overlooked because two-weapon fighting is a melee only action.
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4 months ago  ::  Feb 05, 2013 - 6:17PM #4
AlmightyK
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i like it applying to ranged weapons. it allows more flavour.
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4 months ago  ::  Feb 06, 2013 - 5:52PM #5
dbmoore
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I would be OK if one of the weapons was a ranged weapon but getting two weapon defense from holding two small range weapons seems silly.

I totally get the flavor part, like a whip and sling or a dart and a dagger but I see it more as incredulous when its two slings or a hand crossbow and a dart

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4 months ago  ::  Feb 06, 2013 - 6:23PM #6
AlmightyK
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Feb 6, 2013 -- 5:52PM, dbmoore wrote:


I would be OK if one of the weapons was a ranged weapon but getting two weapon defense from holding two small range weapons seems silly.

I totally get the flavor part, like a whip and sling or a dart and a dagger but I see it more as incredulous when its two slings or a hand crossbow and a dart




you cant see somebody deflecting weapons with two darts? or using two slings to whip around their weapon?

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4 months ago  ::  Feb 07, 2013 - 5:31AM #7
dbmoore
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In a parody movie or an overly campy karate movie sure but otherwise no it just seems a bit much
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4 months ago  ::  Feb 07, 2013 - 4:37PM #8
AlmightyK
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Feb 7, 2013 -- 5:31AM, dbmoore wrote:

In a parody movie or an overly campy karate movie sure but otherwise no it just seems a bit much




you realise combat darts are about 2feet long with 1 foot points right?

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4 months ago  ::  Feb 08, 2013 - 7:34AM #9
dbmoore
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Actually they were at most 2 feet long they ranged in size from just under 1 foot to at most 2 feet and the shaft was slightly flexible unlike a javelin. So it’s not impossible to block with those type of items but again seems to be a stretch on consistent plausibility.

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4 months ago  ::  Feb 08, 2013 - 11:08PM #10
AlmightyK
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Feb 8, 2013 -- 7:34AM, dbmoore wrote:


Actually they were at most 2 feet long they ranged in size from just under 1 foot to at most 2 feet and the shaft was slightly flexible unlike a javelin. So it’s not impossible to block with those type of items but again seems to be a stretch on consistent plausibility.



thats what i meant

i still think its quite easy to parry with two 1 foot spikes

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