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4 months ago  ::  Feb 05, 2013 - 9:29PM #11
EasyT
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Feb 5, 2013 -- 9:10PM, Eisenritter wrote:

As of Essentials, all powers are either attack powers or utility powers.  If it deals damage or hinders an enemy in any way, it's an attack power.  Check the Rules Compendium, p. 89-90.


Huh! So the paper Rules Compendium says there's only two power types, whereas the Online Compenium filters on three (four, if you count pact boons)? Goofy! Wizards is nothing if not consistent.

Happy to take the paper Rules Compendium as the official source. Thanks for the reply!

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4 months ago  ::  Feb 05, 2013 - 9:31PM #12
induril
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if the debate is class feature vs. power it's illogical to say it is an attack power because all powers are either attack or utility, you are arguing past people

class features are mentioned on RC p86 but equating them all to 'powers' is a bit of a stretch, that said there are class features that are clearly attacks - abjure/turn undead for example. 


as to the specifics of the combo, the bonus damage from pelor's blessing (through solar enemy) works with flurry regardless because it says 'if you deal damage'
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4 months ago  ::  Feb 05, 2013 - 9:57PM #13
Celerian01
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A lot of damage-dealing class features are also tacked onto another attack.  FoB is one of the only ones (that I can think of off-hand) that is explicitly a separate damage instance from the triggering attack.
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4 months ago  ::  Feb 05, 2013 - 10:42PM #14
Eisenritter
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Feb 5, 2013 -- 9:31PM, induril wrote:

if the debate is class feature vs. power it's illogical to say it is an attack power because all powers are either attack or utility, you are arguing past people

class features are mentioned on RC p86 but equating them all to 'powers' is a bit of a stretch, that said there are class features that are clearly attacks - abjure/turn undead for example. 




Thing is, flurry of blows isn't the class feature.  That's Monastic Tradition.  Flurry of blows is the power granted by it.  You can tell because its name is italicized and it gets its own entry in block format, see?

Now, class feature or not, flurry of blows is still a power and thus subject to the definition in the Rules Compendium.  An attack power is one that directly damages or hinders the enemy in some way; note the use of the word "directly," which means this definition doesn't apply to assassin's shroud or a power-ized Warlock's Curse, both of which use the "extra damage" verbiage.  A monk's flurry of blows does not:  It deals a separate instance of damage, with four out of five types having an additional kicker.

This is a rather important distinction, because this makes all instances of flurry of blows "melee attacks," making a good deal of monk support useful. Wink 

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4 months ago  ::  Feb 06, 2013 - 12:01AM #15
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Still, it doesn't deal Fire via the ki focus because it's not an attack made with the ki focus, nor deal extra damage via Pervasive Light because it doesn't hit. Unless you're bajat, and then you lose because you don't have Thicket of Blades.
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4 months ago  ::  Feb 06, 2013 - 12:52AM #16
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Feb 6, 2013 -- 12:01AM, Zathris wrote:

Still, it doesn't deal Fire via the ki focus because it's not an attack made with the ki focus, nor deal extra damage via Pervasive Light because it doesn't hit. Unless you're bajat, and then you lose because you don't have Thicket of Blades.





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4 months ago  ::  Feb 06, 2013 - 12:59AM #17
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4 months ago  ::  Feb 06, 2013 - 8:19AM #18
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Feb 5, 2013 -- 7:38PM, andychu10 wrote:

Feb 5, 2013 -- 12:07PM, Scatterbrained wrote:

This is not correct. Flurry of Blows doesn't have the implement keyword, thus it is not an attack made with the ki focus. You'd have to be Desert Wind or find some other way to get fire damage onto FoB.

I'm not sure some of these other radiant shenanigans are RAW either, but I'll leave that for those who know radiant stuff better than I.


Flurry of blows is an attack though right? It's not made with an implemnent but it is an attack?


Yeah sorry if my phrasing was confusing. It's certainly an attack. I just meant that the ki focus only changes damage for attacks made using the ki focus, and the ki focus is not used with FoB.

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4 months ago  ::  Feb 06, 2013 - 12:17PM #19
Haron
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I'm salvaging this build with the help of the Crusader's Mace.

Behold, all our encounter powers that normally do fire damage now do Fire and Radiant, including the minor damaging auras. This removes the need of Pervasive Light feat.

FoB will start to proc Radiant vulnerabilities on it's own on level 16. Meanwhile the burst remains just as strong

Also as an added benefit Ki Expertise is replaced by Holy Symbol Expertise, which has a great defensive bonus.
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4 months ago  ::  Feb 06, 2013 - 6:21PM #20
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Again... "Damage with this weapon" problem... right? 
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