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5 months ago ::
Feb 02, 2013 - 11:27AM
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I made a thread a while back about the relative merits of clerics and warlords in unoptimized parties. I came to the conclusion that with an archer ranger, an artful rogue, a longsword fighter and an illusionist wizard at my side, a healing warlord would be a clearly superior choice. So, naturally, when my cleric died, and was offered new life by Corellon, I brought him back as a seer-themed Shaman/Cleric. Hold up! I have 4 main reasons for this. Spoiler:
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1) I had to come back as a fey creature (No Strength bonus, except for svirfneblins *pfaugh*).
2) My DM gave me +1 wisdom for living twice. I'm not complaining, but that also leans me away from Warlord.
3) Playing a Watcher Shaman sounded fun. Plus it jived well with a seer-flavoured character, which sounded fun.
4) Monsters pretty much auto-hit everyone in my party, for a variety of DM- and party-related reasons, so I needed a little extra healing (hence /cleric).
Anyways, here is the new seer-themed build I've come up with. I think he's fairly well-balanced (huge initiative, healing, enabling, buffing, saving throws all accounted for, as well as some nice monster-sliding--does that fall under debuffing?). Spoiler:
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====== Created Using Wizards of the Coast D&D Character Builder ======
Holy See, level 8
Wood Elf, Cleric/Shaman (Note, I took sense threat. Perception checks for initiative. Fits well with Seer level 10 feature: roll perception twice)
Hybrid Cleric Option: Battle Cleric's Lore
Companion Spirit (Hybrid) Option: Watcher Spirit (Hybrid)
Hybrid Shaman Option: Hybrid Shaman Will
Hybrid Talent Option: Spirit's Power
Auspicious Birth (Auspicious Birth Benefit)
Theme: Seer
FINAL ABILITY SCORES
STR 10, CON 12, DEX 20, INT 8, WIS 21, CHA 12
STARTING ABILITY SCORES
STR 10, CON 12, DEX 16, INT 8, WIS 17, CHA 12
AC: 25 Fort: 15 Ref: 19 Will: 23
HP: 68 Surges: 8 Surge Value: 17
TRAINED SKILLS
Heal +14, Insight +16, Perception +16
UNTRAINED SKILLS
Acrobatics +9, Arcana +3, Athletics +4, Bluff +7, Diplomacy +5, Dungeoneering +9, Endurance +5, History +3, Intimidate +5, Nature +11, Religion +3, Stealth +9, Streetwise +5, Thievery +9
POWERS
Basic Attack: Melee Basic Attack
Basic Attack: Ranged Basic Attack
Seer Utility: Cast Fortune
Cleric Utility: Healing Word
Shaman Feature: Call Spirit Companion
Shaman Feature: Healing Spirit
Shaman Feature: Speak with Spirits
Shaman Feature: Spirit's Prey
Shaman Attack 1: Claws of the Eagle
Cleric Attack 1: Sacred Flame
Cleric Attack 1: Prophetic Guidance
Cleric Attack 1: Moment of Glory
Shaman Utility 2: Engaging Pursuit
Shaman Attack 3: Spirit of Slavering Bloodlust
Shaman Attack 5: War Chieftain's Blessing
Cleric Utility 6: Stream of Life
Shaman Attack 7: Guardian Eagle Flock
FEATS
Level 1: Hybrid Talent
Level 2: Resilient Spirit
Level 4: Totem Expertise
Level 6: Superior Will
Level 8: Sudden Call
ITEMS
Longbow
Hungry Spirits Totem +2 x1
Adventurer's Kit
Bag of Holding
Everlasting Provisions
Magic Leather Armor +2 x1
Arrows
====== End ======
I don't need perfect optimisation, and the basics (watcher shaman/cleric) are set in stone. Mostly I am looking for advice on feats (I can't find much of use), as well as paragon paths (thus far I've found Keen Eagle, which is not perfect for a hybrid.) I am open to multi-classing or whatever other kooky ideas which don't require too much item investment. And if you see anything just begging to be improved, let me know. Thanks!
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5 months ago ::
Feb 02, 2013 - 3:35PM
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Aug 10, 2004
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My sense is that Holy Symbols would serve you better than Totems.
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5 months ago ::
Feb 02, 2013 - 7:18PM
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Weapliments remain the best idea, so take a staff already. Oh, and you're gonna be hard-pressed for a good paragon path with this build. I'd suggest... I don't even know. Soul Enkindler or whatever that's called?
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5 months ago ::
Feb 02, 2013 - 7:39PM
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May 27, 2011
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Why do I have a mental image of a big, stupid badass jellyfish saying "enkindle this!" all of a sudden? 
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5 months ago ::
Feb 02, 2013 - 7:50PM
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My name is Commander Shepard, and this is a mediocre Hanar on the Citadel.
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5 months ago ::
Feb 02, 2013 - 9:56PM
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Thanks for the advice. Holy Symbols do seem nice because they don't take up space. I don't understand what makes weapliments any better. Is it just some specific weapliments are great? I looked for Soul anything on the compendium and the nearest I found was soul guide, for clerics. It requires channel divinity (which I don't have). Keen Eagle would suit my purposes fairly well though, and the campaign may not ever reach level 16.
Zelink, do you believe a pure watcher would be better than this? I mostly picked cleric because some of the power selections were clearly superior: lvl. 6 utility, lvl 1 daily, arguably lvl 1 encounter and at-will (sacred flame vs... I don't know, voice of battle?). The classes seemed to mesh well.
I also considered hybrid bear shaman/cleric, and perhaps doing something similar to GelatinousOctahedron's damage resistance build (though the dm probably wouldn't have allowed the polearm momentum tricks). I decided I liked the enabling of the eagle better, but maybe I was wrong.
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5 months ago ::
Feb 02, 2013 - 10:03PM
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It's called soul igniter, apparently. No idea how you missed that on a search for "soul".
Weapons as implements are better because they let you use weapon enchantments, because staff of ruin is great, because shards exist, and because staff expertise is awesome.
You want a holy symbol as well, of course. Specifically, Victory.
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5 months ago ::
Feb 02, 2013 - 10:12PM
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Date Joined:
Feb 26, 2011
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If you aren't going Wis/Con shaman, might as well go full Shaman. I'm never enthused by cleric power selections.
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5 months ago ::
Feb 02, 2013 - 10:14PM
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I don't know how I missed soul igniter. I guess I just assumed it was a cleric path, for some reason. It does look interesting. The ranger, rogue and wizard will all be critting significantly more than the average, I'd say.
I'll definitely consider that one. I suppose I should pursue some sort of fire vulnerability if I'm doing that.
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5 months ago ::
Feb 02, 2013 - 10:41PM
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If you aren't going Wis/Con shaman, might as well go full Shaman. I'm never enthused by cleric power selections.
I find this surprising. I'll try concocting a pure watcher shaman and see how they compare.
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