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4 months ago  ::  Jan 31, 2013 - 6:57PM #1
lordpoee
Date Joined: Jan 22, 2013
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Is anyone else confused by the Barbarian Charge feat?

It says they can move up to their speed and make an attack...as far as I can tell this is already the norm...does this instead mean their hustle speed and not their walk speed?

Also the Pre-Gen Barbarian is listed as having 2d12 HD at first leve...is this intentional? If so how does the Barbarian get this benefit.
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4 months ago  ::  Jan 31, 2013 - 7:18PM #2
Lord_Kyrion
Date Joined: Nov 21, 2012
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With Charge you move, then move and attack, so yes, it's essentially a move + hustle + attack.
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4 months ago  ::  Feb 07, 2013 - 4:04PM #3
jobygax
Date Joined: May 16, 2009
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I was confused by this too, but the way I read it is that on the Barbarian's turn s/he gets to move and move and attack.  

(Or hustle and attack, but since hustle is a double move, I think you can't move and hustle and attack, even with this charge feat). 

It'd be nice for the feat to read a little clearer so this move+move+attack is explicitly spelled out. 
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4 months ago  ::  Feb 09, 2013 - 5:07AM #4
chuck80
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It says that "as an action, you can both move and attack"

That means that on your turn, you can move, and then use an action called charge, that allows you to "move then attack"

So yeah, you can move twice and attack in the same round 
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4 months ago  ::  Feb 09, 2013 - 9:10AM #5
jobygax
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Yep.
I'm just suggesting that the Feat itself be more explicitly spelled out, so players/DMs don't have to clarify with extra work. 
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4 months ago  ::  Feb 09, 2013 - 12:57PM #6
Indra22
Date Joined: Dec 20, 2012
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I find the feat to be worded very clearly.  I think the disparity is that charge is no longer a standard action and now the character needs a feat in order to charge.
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4 months ago  ::  Feb 09, 2013 - 2:10PM #7
Keendk
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Its quite a common misconception, of basically people dont reading the feat propperly and thinking about old editions. It was completely clear for me when I read it.

 But seeing as so many people dont get it, its obiously not written well enough.


I suggest:
Charge:
"Whenever you take the hustle action you can also make an attack"
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4 months ago  ::  Feb 09, 2013 - 8:54PM #8
lordpoee
Date Joined: Jan 22, 2013
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Feb 9, 2013 -- 2:10PM, Keendk wrote:

Its quite a common misconception, of basically people dont reading the feat propperly and thinking about old editions. It was completely clear for me when I read it.

 But seeing as so many people dont get it, its obiously not written well enough.


I suggest:
Charge:
"Whenever you take the hustle action you can also make an attack"


That's actually worded much better.

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4 months ago  ::  Feb 10, 2013 - 9:01PM #9
Veggie-sama
Date Joined: Jun 17, 2011
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I agree with Keendk about the misconception and the suggested change. It's important to remember that most players won't read straight through the book and instead will read it piece-meal. Specifically cross-referencing the "hustle" action greatly improves readability.
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4 months ago  ::  Feb 11, 2013 - 1:54AM #10
AlmightyK
Date Joined: Jun 22, 2012
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Feb 9, 2013 -- 2:10PM, Keendk wrote:

Its quite a common misconception, of basically people dont reading the feat propperly and thinking about old editions. It was completely clear for me when I read it.

 But seeing as so many people dont get it, its obiously not written well enough.


I suggest:
Charge:
"Whenever you take the hustle action you can also make an attack"




but it's not a hustle and attack. you take the shortest safest route possible. in other words, as straight a line as you can

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