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Jan 31, 2013 -- 4:33PM, Onikani wrote:

Jan 31, 2013 -- 4:14PM, Scatterbrained wrote:

He pretty much covered it, although I think the baseline is level+5 vs AC and +3 vs NADs.

Those bonuses will mean you hit same level mobs on a roll of 9, but will take double digits on the d20 to hit higher level mobs than you.

It is generally accepted that you will fighting mobs 1-2 levels higher than you, so a bonus of 6 or 7 is really what most pc's should be looking for (meaning they hit most mobs they encounter on a roll of 9). 
Natually there will be fluctuations based on gear, and such, and really level+5 (or 3) is as low as you ever want to go. 

I guess let me rephrase: designer baseline is +5 and +3. You see this in all kinds of game elements from FBT to alchemy items to monster hit bonuses. Of course we will endorse getting it higher, but that's baseline whether it "seems" good enough or not.

A couple formulas I always run in my head when making characters or custon creatures as the DM:


I want to hit atleast 70% of the time

I want 50% of melee attacks to miss me (60% + as melee). I avoid shamans......



Basic Formulas (DM Side)

Attack Rating: Level + 5
Monster AC : Level +14
Monster NAD: Level + 12
Monster Life:  Level * 8 +24
Monster Damage: ?????


I then take those numbers to calculate the defensive and accuracy goals for my characters:


Damage Formula's pulledfrom the DPR Kings thread. 
Striker damage: (Level x 2)+2 Bare minumum    .  Aim for (Level x3) +3.
Non Striker damage: (Level x 1) + 2




        

                  

Feb 1, 2013 -- 4:11PM, RenZhe wrote:

Jan 31, 2013 -- 3:41PM, Nirafelos wrote:

While there are standard numbers to shoot for for these things, it's not good to just aim for those numbers and then call it a day.

Having the benchmarks to aim for more useful than you'd imagine. Sometimes I just want to build a gimmick or joke character that pulls the build in a completely different direction, but want it to be at least nominally functional and not be a burden to the rest of your team. And sometimes I just want to build awful things because that happens to be more entertaining than yet another optimized striker with no wiggle room for feats whatsoever.

I don't really disagree with you.

What I meant was more that the benchmark numbers aren't always that important.  AC is less important for a wizard than it is for a warden, and Reflex is substantially less important than Will. It's important to not have truly tragic defenses when all 4 are taken into account, but an avenger without level+12 FORT isn't a detriment to his team. Hell, an avenger who went to the effort required to pump his fort up that high might be in a worse position overall than if he just let his FORT kind of stink. 

To-hit is always important, but the benchmark value of +5/3 (or +7/5 for level+2 combats) is pretty darn easy to hit.

Monster damage is Level+8 single target. +25% for Brutes. -25% for Multi-target. +25% for Rechange. +50% for Encounter.

Elites and Solo's get non-standard attacks, multiple actions, bonus dice because they're warlocks, and/or fluffy bunny damage auras.