It is conceited, because your build is subpar compared to an elemental rogue. But you ignored that just for the sake of pushing your own build. So yes, Baldhermit was right.
I would swap Guttersnipe for Ironwrought, get Disciple of Divine Wrath for double rolls, and swap your E7 for Circling Predator. Stunning Strike is great, but you could swap it for Low Slash. I don't think I would, personally, because Stun is the best condition to inflict after Unconscious and Dead.
Your MBAs suck, and you need to fix that to get the most of TWO and your group's leader. Get Melee Training or Babau gauntlets (I think that's what the name is) which allow you to make Dex-based MBAs once per turn.
Also, Frost is the best rogue weapon in paragon and epic tier. Drop Bloodiron and get the Frost Package (Icy Heart + Lasting Frost + Shard of Merciless Cold + Gloves of Ice).
If your DM is willing to let you change races, Revenant (Tiefling) is amazing past level 16 since you can get Borrowed Confidence through secrets of Belial to get even more double rolls in.
It is conceited, because your build is subpar compared to an elemental rogue. But you ignored that just for the sake of pushing your own build. So yes, Baldhermit was right.
No, it isn't all that subpar. It does roughly equivalent damage while pretending extra damage from bloodiron will never be useful ever, and in this case, uses mostly options that he already has. So instead of telling him his DM is bad or that he doesn't know what he's doing or he's clueless, I just linked to a build that would help him do what he actually asked to do. He didn't ask to do the best damage that any possible Rogue could do. He asked to get his crit numbers up.
And again, as it is my build, if he liked it and wanted to go that route, I'd know how to answer his questions rather than making assumptions about someone else's build's numbers being accurate.
Btw, I'll know when I'd care about if someone told me I'm being conceited. Hint: It isn't anyone who beats up on new posters for their lack of knowledge. That's the height of actually being conceited and disrespectful and as both of you fall into that category consistently...
Btw, I'll know when I'd care about if someone told me I'm being conceited. Hint: It isn't anyone who beats up on new posters for their lack of knowledge. That's the height of actually being conceited and disrespectful and as both of you fall into that category consistently...
You use a lot of words that don't mean what you seem to think they mean, or are completely oblivious of social contract.
"Invokers are probably better round after round but Wizard dailies are devastating. Actually, devastating is too light a word. Wizard daily powers are soul crushing, encounter ending, havoc causing pieces of awesome." -AirPower25 Sear the Flesh, Purify the Soul; Harden the Heart, and Improve the Mind; Born of Blood, but Forged by Fire; The MECH warrior reaches perfection.
And again, as it is my build, if he liked it and wanted to go that route, I'd know how to answer his questions rather than making assumptions about someone else's build's numbers being accurate.
Btw, I'll know when I'd care about if someone told me I'm being conceited. Hint: It isn't anyone who beats up on new posters for their lack of knowledge. That's the height of actually being conceited and disrespectful and as both of you fall into that category consistently...
Well Mommy, I am well aware we each have our own perceptions about communication, about how others think of us, etc. However, I do not care for the notion that I would beat up new posters for their lack of knowledge and to the best of my awareness, I do not do so.
Please note that I said you are acting conceited because you are pushing your own builds. Those may be fine for you, but they are not a perfect solution for others. Pushing them makes you come across as someone who desperately needs to self-promote, which is not a great quality.
If you do so because you think it saves time, then perhaps you have no desire to spend time helping others, and maybe you should refrain from posting.
In short, before you so handily dismiss my comments on what I perceive as your personality through this forum, I would recommend you give some thought as to whether you come across as you desire to come across.
And again, as it is my build, if he liked it and wanted to go that route, I'd know how to answer his questions rather than making assumptions about someone else's build's numbers being accurate.
Btw, I'll know when I'd care about if someone told me I'm being conceited. Hint: It isn't anyone who beats up on new posters for their lack of knowledge. That's the height of actually being conceited and disrespectful and as both of you fall into that category consistently...
Well Mommy, I am well aware we each have our own perceptions about communication, about how others think of us, etc. However, I do not care for the notion that I would beat up new posters for their lack of knowledge and to the best of my awareness, I do not do so.
Well, consider the same advice you give Mommy, because I think a lot of times you are coming off differently than you think apparently.
Please note that I said you are acting conceited because you are pushing your own builds. Those may be fine for you, but they are not a perfect solution for others.
The rote cookie-cutter responses that most people reflexively post are not a perfect solution for most people either.
And posting a link to a build with some advice is much more helpful than:
Don't be human, that's only beneficial early on
Don't be an artful dodger
Do use frost
Do get better equipment.
I mean really... it's like you guys are begging for the OP to ask you for more information.
Pushing them makes you come across as someone who desperately needs to self-promote, which is not a great quality.
No. That is how you perceive it, which says more about you than it does about Mommy. MWAO's reasons for linking to his builds are very reasonable to anyone thinking clearly. The fact that, despite his explanations, you still cling to this notion that he is "pushing" his builds for self-gain reveals more about your motives and intents than anything else.
If you do so because you think it saves time, then perhaps you have no desire to spend time helping others, and maybe you should refrain from posting.
Wow. This is such a petty accusation. You're obviously not paying attention to MWAO's responses, and are just looking to twist his words around to your benefit. Again, this says more about you than it does him.
A lot of the regulars here essentially compete to post the snarkiest remark with the fewest words in the shortest amount of time and you're lobbing this at MWAO? Because he posted a crit-based rogue build for a guy playing a crit-based rogue?
In short, before you so handily dismiss my comments on what I perceive as your personality through this forum, I would recommend you give some thought as to whether you come across as you desire to come across.
Give some thought to this then, since you're such a reasonable guy... MWAO comes across as much more helpful than you do, and much less hostile.
You do realize that's baldhermit you're replying to, and not me, erachima, Alcestis, or zelink, right? There's 4 people on the forums that bald is hostile toward regularly, and 3 of them are obnoxious self-promoters and 3 of them have infectious LSM (there's some overlap), and it is to act as a counter to those reasons that he posts in such a way.
He's admitted that he's a shameless self-promoter, so accusing him of such is hardly rude anymore. It's like calling me a jerk, it's normally a rude thing to accuse someone of (as you are doing with bald), but since I admit to being a jerk, and that people think I'm a jerk, it's not slander anymore.
I mean really... it's like you guys are begging for the OP to ask you for more information.
Yes, we are. Having someone seek information on why the Frost Package is so good on a Rogue is a hell of a lot better for both them and us in both the short and long term than posting a build reliant on a mechanic they can't use as a "here, play this", there's no identification of elements to the build that the petitioner can examine casually, either accept the build or put in significant effort to scrutenize it.
If someone wants "A few links to good rogue builds they can use" then ... they ask for that.
Teach a man to fish, as the saying goes.
"Invokers are probably better round after round but Wizard dailies are devastating. Actually, devastating is too light a word. Wizard daily powers are soul crushing, encounter ending, havoc causing pieces of awesome." -AirPower25 Sear the Flesh, Purify the Soul; Harden the Heart, and Improve the Mind; Born of Blood, but Forged by Fire; The MECH warrior reaches perfection.
Good encounter powers for you: Low Slash (replace Critical Opportunity with Reserve Maneuver), Circling Predator (more attack rolls=more chances to crit).
I think you should also get Piercing Strike as your second At-Will. It attacks a NAD and can be a consistent source of damage vs. higher level enemies.
Bloody Path seems good, but is too situational to rely on. Also, your attacks do more damage than enemy attacks. Which means you want to be the one attacking.
Using a Frost weapon with a Shard, Icy Heart, Gloves of Ice and Lasting Frost is kind of SOP for a Rogue anymore. At least, for Rogues that can't take advantage of other vulnerabilities like Radiant.
If you want to make MBAs w/TWO you need Melee Training. Dual wielding isn't as useful on a Rogue unless you can use Ranger powers, IMO.
And again, as it is my build, if he liked it and wanted to go that route, I'd know how to answer his questions rather than making assumptions about someone else's build's numbers being accurate.
Btw, I'll know when I'd care about if someone told me I'm being conceited. Hint: It isn't anyone who beats up on new posters for their lack of knowledge. That's the height of actually being conceited and disrespectful and as both of you fall into that category consistently...
Well Mommy, I am well aware we each have our own perceptions about communication, about how others think of us, etc. However, I do not care for the notion that I would beat up new posters for their lack of knowledge and to the best of my awareness, I do not do so.
That's my perception. Sometimes you're helpful, but a significant amount of the time you push curt or snarky short responses without explanation as if it ought to be obvious. Why given that both LDB and RenZhe recommended human as sky blue that the OP's build should not be a human? Particularly in a relatively feat starved build that you're recommending ought to take additional feats? Also, given that the OP asked how he could do more critical hits, how does not being human, doing frost damage, or a variety of other things you mentioned make it more likely that he will do critical hits?
Why do you think ignoring the OP's original question benefits him? Why did you not explain why you think your choices will get him a better build? Are your choices that obvious?
These are rhetorical questions in case it isn't clear. You do this almost all the time when you post - short curt answers without explanation of why you think your choices are better than the other ones. And sometimes with a hefty dose of unnecessary snark. I'm not sure why you think your behavior is more acceptable than mine even in the theoretical scenario where I am doing this just to be conceited.
One of the things that I've found over time is that when I do one of those links, the OP very quickly points out that he can either do it or doesn't want to do it and what his actual limitations are if any. What you view as conceit, I view as having had practical benefits to getting to what the OP wants due to my experience having done it. And as I said, I really don't care if he totally ignores what I suggest and tells me something different - if you look at the threads where that happens, I don't whine that he doesn't do what I wanted him to do. I make suggestions based on those different choices - which I would have done here, but Black Knight did it for me.
And if you can't understand that, it just isn't a big deal to me. There are posters, who if they said this, I'd take it to heart. You're not one of them. Nor is Zathris.
You do realize that's baldhermit you're replying to, and not me, erachima, Alcestis, or zelink, right? There's 4 people on the forums that bald is hostile toward regularly, and 3 of them are obnoxious self-promoters and 3 of them have infectious LSM (there's some overlap), and it is to act as a counter to those reasons that he posts in such a way.
Baldhermit isn't quite in your category of general hostility, but he goes there often enough to other posters. And at least you usually explain why you're being hostile when you choose to be.
He's admitted that he's a shameless self-promoter, so accusing him of such is hardly rude anymore. It's like calling me a jerk, it's normally a rude thing to accuse someone of (as you are doing with bald), but since I admit to being a jerk, and that people think I'm a jerk, it's not slander anymore.
I've actually admitted to no such thing. I've admitted to not caring if you think I'm a shameless self-promoter. There's a difference.
