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4 months ago ::
Jan 26, 2013 - 11:05PM
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Jan 27, 2013
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Never had to ask a question here before, but I have an adamant player who disagrees with me, so I am proposing this question so we can hopefull come to a definitive answer.
I believe the answer is not, as on Pg 51 of the PHB it crlearly states that you cannot target yourself with powers that target allies, and I argue that this create 3 sets of targets, You, Ally, and Enemy, and therefore because the ability does not target you, you cannot target yourself.
My player thinks this is incorrect, and believes you can in fact state that you are your own enemy, and can therefore target yourself with abilities that target enemies.
So, if this is not the case I would like to know, can you target yourself with abilities that target enemies, if you declare yourself your own enemy? I say no, what do you say?
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4 months ago ::
Jan 26, 2013 - 11:26PM
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I don't have any references atm, but much like you can't target yourself with an ability that targets an ally, you wouldn't be able to consider yourself an enemy for the purpose of targeting yourself as an enemy. This does, however, mean that he could target himself with a power that targets "Single Creature" or "Creatures in Burst" or a similar such ability, I believe.
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4 months ago ::
Jan 27, 2013 - 1:12AM
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Sounds like munchkinism to me.
You have two choices here, as I think it is only implicitly stated that one does not count as ones own enemy:
- do not allow this action
- do allow this action, but with all consequences. He does not count as an ally to his teammates, cannot be healed, cannot flank, etc...
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4 months ago ::
Jan 27, 2013 - 1:44AM
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Oct 28, 2010
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No. You can target yourself with things which target creatures, but not which target enemies or allies. You are not your own enemy, nor are you your own ally.
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4 months ago ::
Jan 27, 2013 - 1:56AM
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Jan 27, 2013
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I wholeheartedly agree with what is stated above, and have declared it in my campaign. I have since sent a CS request to see if I can get some sort of definitive answer, as I believe the PHB though while strictly declaring what an ally is and what it pertains to never expressly does that with an enemy. Once I get a response I will post it here. I read it as You =/= Ally =/= Enemy, my friend reads it as You =/= Ally, but the book never states You =/= Enemy.
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4 months ago ::
Jan 27, 2013 - 3:13AM
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Oct 28, 2010
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CS=/= useful.
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4 months ago ::
Jan 27, 2013 - 3:17AM
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Apr 12, 2010
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Let your friend point out to you the rule that he uses that says "You can declare a target as an enemy". I dont remember seeing that anywhere, why does he think he can do that?
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4 months ago ::
Jan 27, 2013 - 10:08AM
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Despite the fact that this player may well be his own worst enemy, as far as the game is concerned, his character is not his own enemy.
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4 months ago ::
Jan 27, 2013 - 11:31AM
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Despite the fact that this player may well be his own worst enemy, as far as the game is concerned, his character is not his own enemy.
Did they fix the description? Because PHB1 says that you are not your own ally and also says that everyone who is not an ally is an enemy. That would indeed make yourself your own enemy 
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4 months ago ::
Jan 27, 2013 - 1:05PM
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Aug 20, 2003
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Despite the fact that this player may well be his own worst enemy, as far as the game is concerned, his character is not his own enemy.
Did they fix the description? Because PHB1 says that you are not your own ally and also says that everyone who is not an ally is an enemy. That would indeed make yourself your own enemy
RC 106 defines a target definition of Enemy as "an opponent of the power's user" and an ally as "a companion of the power's user". If a power specifies Allies, then your ally can choose to ignore the effects of the power, whereas if the power specifies "creatures", then they cannot ignore the effect.
You are neither your opponent nor your ally, and therefore can only target yourself with powers that state "You" or "X creatures" You also can't really change allies and enemies at will. Even when a creature is dominated, the rules specify "the creature's allies remain its allies and its enemies remain its enemies"
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