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4 months ago ::
Jan 28, 2013 - 12:15AM
#11
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Date Joined:
May 14, 2010
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Since it hasn't been asked yet, why is the character targetting himself? Is he trying to use something that triggers on damage?
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4 months ago ::
Jan 28, 2013 - 2:53AM
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Oct 28, 2010
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If I had to guess, I'd probably say he's trying to Hypnotism himself or something.
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4 months ago ::
Jan 28, 2013 - 3:16PM
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Jan 27, 2013
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My guess is that the player in question was trying to abuse something, not do something like this for the sake of the story, and I was trying to explain it to him. I ruled that you could not target yourself with abilities that target enemies except under very strict conditions. It was more an argument over terminology at that point, where I declared that there were 3 distinct sets of targets- You, Ally, and Enemy. The player in question claimed that there was indeed a distinct destinction between Ally and You, but not between You and Enemy. I claimed you could not have it one way and not the other, and a long debate ensued (outside the game ofc.)
Anyhow I promised to post the CS response once I got one and here it is:
Hello Venomace,
Thank you for contacting Wizards of the Coast Game Support! This is an interesting question. The only time you can target yourself is when it says "creature" or "you" and has the key word: Personal
However you could have a character that is filled with self loathing or has another creature/entity within themselves were they could consider themselves an enemy. Doing something like this would certainty be something the Dungeon Master could allow or deny. The rules do not address these story type issues If you have anymore questions please feel free to contact us again. Happy Gaming!
I guess CS sides with all of us.
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4 months ago ::
Jan 28, 2013 - 9:36PM
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I guess CS sides with all of us.
No, they don't, and they gave a stupid answer that is nonsense - which is, by the way, what CS *does*. It's all they do. CS are terrible and you should never ask them anything, because you are wasting your time.
Thank you for contacting Wizards of the Coast Game Support! This is an interesting question. The only time you can target yourself is when it says "creature" or "you" and has the key word: Personal
Uh-huh. So, in order for a power to target yourself, CS says it must have "the keyword Personal".
ALMOST NO powers that explicitly can target you but can also target other people, have that keyword. "Personal" tends to mean that the power CAN ONLY target you. Powers that can target other people AND ALSO can target you don't have that keyword. So, the answer CS has given you? Is wrong, and stupid, and betrays a telling lack of understanding of how the rules of the game work.
Which is, again what CS does, every single time. They are terrible. They have no idea what the rules are, let alone how they work in practice.
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4 months ago ::
Jan 29, 2013 - 6:30AM
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Jun 17, 2010
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Yeah, CS is dead wrong. Center a Fireball in a square adjacent to you, and you bet you're going to get a bit crispy.
D&D Next = D&D: Quantum Edition
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4 months ago ::
Jan 29, 2013 - 7:37AM
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Oct 28, 2010
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See, if they'd said 'or' instead of 'and', they'd've been right. Except for all those range: special powers which target the caster, without the Personal keyword or range.
Yeah, no, they're just wrong.
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4 months ago ::
Jan 29, 2013 - 10:20AM
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Mar 28, 2010
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Thank you for contacting Wizards of the Coast Game Support! This is an interesting question. [The only time you can target yourself is when it says "creature"] or ["you" and has the key word: Personal].
This is what they meant I'm guessing. They gave 2 options not 3.
"Non nobis Domine Sed nomini tuo da gloriam" "I wish for death not because I want to die, but because I seek the war eternal"
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4 months ago ::
Jan 29, 2013 - 3:57PM
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May 14, 2010
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Yeah, CS is dead wrong. Center a Fireball in a square adjacent to you, and you bet you're going to get a bit crispy.
What does that have to do with yourself as the target? You aren't attacking yourself. You are attacking the square adjacent.
If a player wants to attck himself, I would probably allow it. But I seem to remember something about a player unable to trigger his own reactions.
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4 months ago ::
Jan 29, 2013 - 3:57PM
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Thank you for contacting Wizards of the Coast Game Support! This is an interesting question. [The only time you can target yourself is when it says "creature"] or ["you" and has the key word: Personal].
This is what they meant I'm guessing. They gave 2 options not 3.
Except that many powers say "you" without the keyword "personal". Take, say, All The Leader Heals Ever, which are all "close burst whatever, targets you or one creature in burst, does not have the personal keyword"
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4 months ago ::
Jan 29, 2013 - 3:58PM
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Aug 15, 2011
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Yeah, CS is dead wrong. Center a Fireball in a square adjacent to you, and you bet you're going to get a bit crispy.
What does that have to do with yourself as the target? You aren't attacking yourself. You are attacking the square adjacent.
If a player wants to attck himself, I would probably allow it. But I seem to remember something about a player unable to trigger his own reactions.
That's because you can't take immediate actions on your own turn.
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