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4 months ago ::
Jan 27, 2013 - 4:34PM
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Date Joined:
May 23, 2012
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If you're at all interested in doming something like Wiz/Rogue combo, consider doing it with Complete Scoundrel, the Unseen Seer does just what you suggest. It's an uberstealth (IE magic user/rogue) character that also concentrates on perception and divination.
It progresses Base attack bonus better than Arcane Trixter and has easier requirements to reach. The spellcasting's as good with some neat tricks to make it better in some ways, and the sneak attack is only one die less.
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4 months ago ::
Jan 27, 2013 - 8:20PM
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Jumping on the bandwagon and saying Complete Scoundrel is the best book for you. Why?
- Equipment. There's a lot of fun gear for rogue-types, and the mundane equipment section is especially choice. Probably tied with Dungeonscape for the most useful mundane equipment for the handy rogue.
- Skill tricks. They are insanely useful. Put those 8 skill points/level to work! Spot invisible enemies to target with flour pouches, make your attacks as touch attacks, attack someone without them noticing, climb while leaving your hands free, perform crazy tumble tricks - these are just a few of the things skill tricks let you do. Seriously, they're a real boon to the roguish types, and they're a lot of fun. (Basically, they're expanded uses of skills that you can use 1/encounter by spending two skill points to learn them. There are quite a few of them, and it's worth reading through them all.)
- The Uncanny Trickster prestige class. It's probably my favorite non-casting prestige class for a rogue. It gives you 8 SP/level, all skills as class skills, and progresses your actual rogue levels by two - so you'll go up in sneak die, gain new rogue special abilities, etc. It also gives you three bonus skill tricks, and lets you use some of your skill tricks twice an encounter. It's not crazy but it's super easy to qualify for and basically acts like rogue+ for you.
- Unseen Seer and Combat Trapsmith, for two different takes on roguish prestige classes if you're going for a different sort of rogue. The former is a much classier version of the arcane trickster. The latter lets you set traps in combat. The Combat Trapsmith's got some flaws - the DCs don't scale as well as they should, it requires craft (alchemy) to set many of your traps and yet doesn't let you create alchemical items, and the fact that you can only set them at ground level annoys me - but it's still a supremely cool concept, and the trap list is quite nice.
Dungeonscape is a close second - factotums usually make better rogues than the actual rogue class, it also has cool mundane items, and Dungeonscape's Trapsmith class is almost certainly strictly better than CSco's Combat Trapsmith thanks to its spells, even if I like the Combat Trapsmith more. But there's more player content in general in Complete Scoundrel, and skill tricks are just too good to pass up.
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4 months ago ::
Jan 27, 2013 - 8:23PM
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Date Joined:
Dec 17, 2011
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If ToB is off the table, and just replacing rogue with rogue-that-actually-works is not an option either, then I must suggest Magic Item Compendium. Make it so you're actually capable of doing even just a few things. Remember to max UMD.
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4 months ago ::
Jan 28, 2013 - 12:18PM
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Date Joined:
May 23, 2012
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Ooo, slick pick EA. It's like Spell Compendium, but for everyone.
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4 months ago ::
Jan 28, 2013 - 3:15PM
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Date Joined:
Dec 22, 2006
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I wonder what a Single book Nanobots build, would look like?
It would be sneaky.
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4 months ago ::
Feb 07, 2013 - 9:01PM
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Date Joined:
Feb 23, 2011
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OK, I'm approaching second level and I opened Complete Scoundrel to take a look....I don't see Unseen Seer. Isn't that in Complete Mage?
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4 months ago ::
Feb 07, 2013 - 9:09PM
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Unseen Seer is in the Complete Mage.
Personally, I'd also make some alterations to the Arcane Trickster class which really should have been done when it was promoted in 3.5.
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4 months ago ::
Feb 07, 2013 - 9:46PM
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Date Joined:
May 23, 2012
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Yeah, my bad. I don't know what I was thinking when I referenced that prc in the wrong book. Doh.
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