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4 months ago  ::  Jan 29, 2013 - 3:13PM #251
Maxperson
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Jan 29, 2013 -- 3:10PM, wrecan wrote:

Jan 29, 2013 -- 2:38PM, Maxperson wrote:

If a woman isn't feeling welcome playing D&D for something as minor and benign as the use of "he", she is seriously overreacting.


And if a man is put off by the use of a different pronoun being used, he is equally overreacting.




Exactly.  You didn't find me feeling unwelcome with 3e.  I jumped right in and played it with gusto!

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4 months ago  ::  Jan 29, 2013 - 3:18PM #252
Crimson_Concerto
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Jan 29, 2013 -- 2:57PM, malcapricornis wrote:

And people outside the sex/gender binary?  Come on now. There is only so much subdivision of language to uniquely describe sets of people that is practical.


I don't necessarily disagree. That's why "they" is so perfect. It includes everybody and thus makes the further subdivision that you refer to unnecessary and/or obsolete.

Jan 29, 2013 -- 3:08PM, professordaddy wrote:

Because my experiences have led to professional publication, and yours haven't. Because I'm a professional academic and you aren't.


Excuse you? You have no idea whether either of those things is true. You only assume so because I'm saying something contrary to your experiences and because I am not flaunting my professional experiences as a source of authority in the same way that you are.

Jan 29, 2013 -- 3:10PM, Maxperson wrote:

Feel free to PM me


That is not satisfactory to me. If it's a conversation worth having, then it's a conversation worth having publically. After all, I'm not just debating this to convince you or any of the other people that I'm directly disagreeing with in this thread. I'm also here so that people who think like me know that they're not alone. Unfortunately, without lurkers and other third parties, the importance of the conversation is drastically diminished.

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4 months ago  ::  Jan 29, 2013 - 3:20PM #253
crazy_monkey
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Howdy folks,

I'm going to be closing this thread as its devolving into personal attacks and sexism.  Before I do that, a quick note.

Just because you don't take offense at something, or even everyone you know don't take offense at something, that doesn't mean others won't.  Further, namecalling people who do take offense at something is, simply put, unacceptable on these forums. 

Everyone's experiences vary and what is and is not acceptable from one game table to the next also varies.  D&D Next will strive to be as inclusive as possible.

Regarding gender pronouns, the rules of grammar can and do change and what is acceptable use of grammar and pronouns in a gaming book is not the same as what is acceptable in academia.  

  

       
Quentin Small
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