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5 months ago ::
Jan 25, 2013 - 1:52PM
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Hypothetically, is there a good use for the Blackgaurd if you're not pretending it's a striker?
Can't really think of any, to be honest. It's basically just a paladin who sucks at his job.
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5 months ago ::
Jan 25, 2013 - 1:56PM
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Its ok for hybrid or multiclassing into, but that is because it counts as a paladin and you get to use paladin stuff.
The difference between hybrid regular paladin and hybrid blackguard is that you trade divine challenge for a Spirit of Vice and Dark Menance that only work with paladin powers. And you can hybrid talent to pick up shroud of shadow instead of channel divinity.
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5 months ago ::
Jan 25, 2013 - 2:05PM
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So basically...no, it's ass. With the existence of Specter Shield, there is simply no excuse at all to consider the Blackguard over the Paladin if you have any interest in Charisma. -STAT to an enemy's defense as an offturn action is amazing for getting some beefy damage out.
Mountain Cleave Rule: You can have any sort of fun, including broken, silly fun, so long as I get to have that fun too (e. g., if you can warp reality with your spells, I can cleave mountains with my blade).
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5 months ago ::
Jan 25, 2013 - 2:35PM
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I can't find Specter Shield in the compendium. What is it?
A ChanDiv swap that allows you to, as an immediate reaction on being attacked (hit?) apply a penalty to the enemy's defenses equal to your Charisma until the end of your next turn, IIRC. The only catch is that it has the Fear keyword, but whatcha gonna do - it's still a bloody outstanding trick to have because it doesn't even require a hit roll. Gist of it:
Spectre's Shield, Encounter Utility. Replaces Divine Mettle.
Target: Triggering enemy
Trigger: An enemy within 5 squares of you attacks you.
Effect: The triggering enemy takes a penalty to all defenses equal to your Charisma modifier.
Mountain Cleave Rule: You can have any sort of fun, including broken, silly fun, so long as I get to have that fun too (e. g., if you can warp reality with your spells, I can cleave mountains with my blade).
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5 months ago ::
Jan 25, 2013 - 2:47PM
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Best (only) use I've found for it so far is the MC entry feat. You can get a trained skill and a divine MC without having to meet any requirements at all. I'll take the other posters at their word that it works as a hybrid - I've never tried to build one.
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5 months ago ::
Jan 25, 2013 - 3:01PM
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The only hybrid people use it for is Executioner, which is a super-gimmicky charger. Warlock does it better.
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5 months ago ::
Jan 25, 2013 - 3:01PM
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I figured out why I hadn't heard of Specter's Shield. It looks like none of the powers from that Unearthed arcana article in dragon 398 made it to the compendium. I haven't checked, but they are probably not in the OCB either.
Edit: according to the article those are not official powers and are DM dependent.
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5 months ago ::
Jan 25, 2013 - 3:27PM
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This was brought up in the rules Q&A thread: community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/758...Supposedly Unearthed Arcana isn't official game content? The only hybrid people use it for is Executioner, which is a super-gimmicky charger. Warlock does it better.
Not that the blackguard actually has anything to do with his minors, but you could argue an action economy advantage and targetting advantage over the warlock. Plus devout protector expertise, holy symbol access, the ability not to have to maintain a second stat at attack-caliber, etc. It's sort of like asking why play striker class x when y does it better (y = ranger). Sure, its worse, but its different enough to be interesting.
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5 months ago ::
Jan 25, 2013 - 9:47PM
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Thank you for all of the advice everyone. It does look like my envisioned character will only be possible using the half elf diletante (sp). I was really aiming for amping up the spirit of vice damage with a twin strikeing, plate wearing, dread smiting character. Hybrid looked close, but I didn't realize that the vice bonuses only applied to paladin attack powers. I'll save the concept for if I ever get into a paragon game.
I don't mind refluffing, but I can only handle so much. Refluff scale to light plate, no problem. Refluff a hafling hexblade as a mideval yoda, I can handle that. Refluff a goliath wizard as erol flynn, breaks the wall for me.
So, again, thank you for all of your help & suggestions.
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