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5 months ago ::
Jan 24, 2013 - 6:13PM
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Date Joined:
Sep 16, 2011
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Hi. I've just started my first campaign and I've borrowed some books from some friends and I'm playing as a Crusader. I'm thinking of multiclassing with cleric one level and then prestiging ruby knight. Ruby Knight requires hide to have 4 ranks in it though and I'm unsure of the best way to get hide into my character without sacrificing anything while still not having to dip one level into another class.
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5 months ago ::
Jan 24, 2013 - 7:30PM
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Trickery domain grants Hide as a class skill.
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5 months ago ::
Jan 24, 2013 - 7:34PM
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Trickery Domain isn't open to clerics of Wee Jas, is it?
I'm currently afb, but I really like both clerics and crusaders, which means I can give you some options. First, what books are allowed, how are ability scores generated (and if it's by rolling the dice, have you already done so?), what houserules should we be aware of, and what is your ultimate goal for the character? Ruby Knight Vindicator is fine as an answer, but have you thought past that?
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5 months ago ::
Jan 24, 2013 - 8:14PM
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Date Joined:
Dec 17, 2011
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Trickery Domain isn't open to clerics of Wee Jas, is it?
Worship a pantheon. Problem solved.
Or, of course, one can simply eat the CC cost, it isn't too bad.
I'm currently afb, but I really like both clerics and crusaders, which means I can give you some options. First, what books are allowed, how are ability scores generated (and if it's by rolling the dice, have you already done so?), what houserules should we be aware of, and what is your ultimate goal for the character? Ruby Knight Vindicator is fine as an answer, but have you thought past that?
But, more importantly, this.
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5 months ago ::
Jan 24, 2013 - 8:29PM
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You need 4 ranks of Hide? There is a really simple way to get that which doesn't require any multiclassing or maybe taking Domains you don't think you can access. You simple spend the extra skill points to get them as cross-class skills. What do you need for 4 ranks of hide as a non-class skill? Just 8 skill points so you're 4 ranks is like some "appropriate" classes 8 ranks and that is 5th-level for either character which is just about the time you normally can start accessing PrCs.
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5 months ago ::
Jan 25, 2013 - 2:25AM
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Short, short answer to your question (other than the already-recommended cross-class ranks): Take Martial Study (any Shadow Hand maneuver); it gives you Hide as a class skill. And, since the RKV allows you to take Shadow Hand maneuvers/stances, it won't stick out like a sore thumb. If you want suggestions for more, you need to provide more info.
Two... Ah ah ah! Three.. Ah ah ah! Four... Ah ah ah! Six... Ah ah ah!! Punctuation exists for a reason, and your neglect of the shift key is to the point where Social Services should be involved.
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5 months ago ::
Jan 25, 2013 - 7:46AM
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May 23, 2012
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+1 to Count_Von_CoC's suggestion there. Get something at 3 like Cloak of Deception, that lets you pile ranks in at 3, 4 and 5 (Going to need to do 2 ranks at once for one of those levels) and gets you swift action single round improved invisibility. Great synergy with Power Attack there.
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5 months ago ::
Jan 25, 2013 - 8:44AM
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Another option, if you're human, is to take Able Learner as one of your initial 1st level feats. This makes all your cross-class skills only cost 1 skill point per rank and its benefit will help throughout your career.
Martial Study in a Shadow Hand maneuver is swell and the extra maneuver is great, but if you're only taking it in order to gain Hide as an in-class skill then the benefit is null once you take Ruby Knight Vindicator since Hide is in-class for them.
Able Learner lets you get cheap ranks in all useful skills (Hide, Bluff, Escape Artist, all Knowledges, Tumble, Use Magic Device, etc) up to half (Character Level+3).
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5 months ago ::
Jan 25, 2013 - 9:41AM
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The benefit from Martial Study is twofold: it makes Hide a class skill, which means that you can ignore that "half" part of Ahruhn's formula. The other benefit is that it lets you qualify for higher level Shadow Hand maneuvers sooner.
Two... Ah ah ah! Three.. Ah ah ah! Four... Ah ah ah! Six... Ah ah ah!! Punctuation exists for a reason, and your neglect of the shift key is to the point where Social Services should be involved.
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5 months ago ::
Jan 25, 2013 - 10:28AM
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May 23, 2012
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Yep, exactly why I like the solution CVCC. The Shadow Hand maneuver has you ready to qualify for more powerful shadow hand stuff once you're into RKV.
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