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4 months ago ::
Jan 24, 2013 - 12:28PM
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Wrecan I dont´know If I´m getting it wrong in any way, if it´s the please case correct me, but how can the playtest be more open?
You are allowed to make your own backgrounds by choosing any four skills. The Backgrounds that exist are there as premade examples. That cannot be done in 4e.
No it can. PHB2 pg 178.
And you can pick 3 or more.
limiting to 4 and those 4 bing strictly tied to your background sounds to much?
There is a feat that lets you gain training in two more skills. If you spend all four feats on that you can be trained in 12 skills by tenth level.
That is good.
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4 months ago ::
Jan 24, 2013 - 12:30PM
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Picking a combination of backgrounds lets say Rogue/Outlaw/Fey origin/Noble origin is a wider choice than "pick one background".
Make sure to distinguish between
"this is my characters background; this is where they are from and this is what they did before they picked up advenuturing" and
"these are the mechanical benifits my character reaped, the real skills that stuck with him that he uses to this day".
Maybe this are the definitions of 4E backgrounds and DDN backgrounds consecutively, right? My point was 4E method seems more open.
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4 months ago ::
Jan 24, 2013 - 12:40PM
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No it can. PHB2 pg 178.
And you can pick 3 or more.
You only get the mechanical benefit of the first Background you pick. (See paragraph 3 from the excerpt here.)
"Regardless of how many background elements you use, when you create a character you can (with your DM’s consent) select one of the following background benefits..."
It's also discussed in this thread and here.
There is a feat that lets you gain training in two more skills. If you spend all four feats on that you can be trained in 12 skills by tenth level.
That is good.
Right. All in all, 4e is less flexible than the playtest.
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4 months ago ::
Jan 24, 2013 - 12:44PM
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Maybe this are the definitions of 4E backgrounds and DDN backgrounds consecutively, right? My point was 4E method seems more open.
No, this is the point that "my character was a chef for the knight James McKnightly, and I was so impressed by his tournament performance that I stole his sword and horse and snuck out one night to become an adventurer" is very different from
"My character gets (insert mechanical bonuses for using knives, sneaking, swords, and horseback riding here)"
Moreover, just because your character doesn't get a bonus to making shields doesn't mean they didn't apprentice as a blacksmith.
It's a statement to seperate the background and history of your character over the mechanical bonuses they drew from those backgrounds.
Want the tl;dr of my posts? Read the bold text; I put it there to highlight the main points for ease of skimming.
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4 months ago ::
Jan 24, 2013 - 12:51PM
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Maybe this are the definitions of 4E backgrounds and DDN backgrounds consecutively, right? My point was 4E method seems more open.
No, this is the point that "my character was a chef for the knight James McKnightly, and I was so impressed by his tournament performance that I stole his sword and horse and snuck out one night to become an adventurer" is very different from
"My character gets (insert mechanical bonuses for using knives, sneaking, swords, and horseback riding here)"
Moreover, just because your character doesn't get a bonus to making shields doesn't mean they didn't apprentice as a blacksmith.
It's a statement to seperate the background and history of your character over the mechanical bonuses they drew from those backgrounds.
My biggest complaint is that the skills are still not balanced against each other.
There are certain skills that everyone wants and certain ones that nobody takes unless forced to.
Pre-made backgrounds can be great if they force people to take a combination of more and less useful skills.
Most people in my group opted to take skills a la carte. I don't actually like this option. It is too directed towards min/maxing.
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4 months ago ::
Jan 24, 2013 - 12:53PM
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No it can. PHB2 pg 178.
And you can pick 3 or more.
You only get the mechanical benefit of the first Background you pick. (See paragraph 3 from the excerpt here.)
"Regardless of how many background elements you use, when you create a character you can (with your DM’s consent) select one of the following background benefits..."
It's also discussed in this thread and here.
There is a feat that lets you gain training in two more skills. If you spend all four feats on that you can be trained in 12 skills by tenth level.
That is good.
Right. All in all, 4e is less flexible than the playtest.
Ow yeah... absolutely, you got just one benefit in 4E... still I terms of flavor it seems to add more color to a character, but wen it comes to Skill delivery in the playtest, as long as you can create your own backgrounds (I was missing this aspect), you are not straight jacketed at all. Thanks Wrecan.
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4 months ago ::
Jan 24, 2013 - 1:36PM
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My pleasure!
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