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4 months ago  ::  Jan 21, 2013 - 3:59PM #1
wildside316
Date Joined: Dec 11, 2012
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Not exactly sure if this would go here.

Now, I'm one who from time to time enjoys the ideas that bend rules and go against the typical/usual/majority-of-such ideas. In fact, one idea for a character(actually, his whole clan)in a story I've had in the works for the past decade, is(and I found I'm not alone in this idea)a good vampire who is also a Christian.

That aside, I do often smile at the ideas like that, and I find the idea of a Bahamut-worshiping warlock just as ammusing, and fairly intriguing. Is that at all odd? I know that pretty much any class these days can be of any alignment(a lawful-good thief would really be odd though), but how would Bahamut view a warlock worshiping him?
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4 months ago  ::  Jan 21, 2013 - 6:12PM #2
Nirafelos
Date Joined: Mar 12, 2011
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Jan 21, 2013 -- 3:59PM, wildside316 wrote:

Not exactly sure if this would go here.

Now, I'm one who from time to time enjoys the ideas that bend rules and go against the typical/usual/majority-of-such ideas. In fact, one idea for a character(actually, his whole clan)in a story I've had in the works for the past decade, is(and I found I'm not alone in this idea)a good vampire who is also a Christian.

That aside, I do often smile at the ideas like that, and I find the idea of a Bahamut-worshiping warlock just as ammusing, and fairly intriguing. Is that at all odd? I know that pretty much any class these days can be of any alignment(a lawful-good thief would really be odd though), but how would Bahamut view a warlock worshiping him?




As one of millions and millions of ants, no more surprising or deserving of notice than any other.

With the number of devoutly religious criminals in the real world, it's always weird to me when people find it hard to believe alignment discrepancy between a character and his/her deity.  

Beyond that, there is nothing at all inherently evil or even unlawful about warlocks (or even thieves). And I don't just mean in a "morality is a societal construct" sort of way, but rather in a, "class has nothing to do with occupation, demeanor, alignment, or religion" sense.  They're simply not related at all.

 A warlock is someone who has gained magical power from another source. That is all.  Even the pacts that explicitly state where the power is coming from can be refluffed in any way you want to. I've seen people refluff infernal pact as a pact to bahamut, which makes it have much in common with standard divine fluff, with the warlock's power granted by his deity. 

Bahamut may not approve of a stock-fluffed infernal or star pact, but why would he notice it? Why would a warlock who chooses to call himself a follower of bahamut make an agreement with a demon/abomination? Does the end justify the means? Is he greedy/secretive? Trying to con the pact-patron in some way? There's hundreds of viable reasons, without even changing the fluff (which is readily changeable).

There's no rules bending going on at all, and I think most people are in agreement with you that such dichotomies are often interesting.

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4 months ago  ::  Jan 21, 2013 - 8:22PM #3
LolaBonne
Date Joined: Aug 15, 2011
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Jan 21, 2013 -- 6:12PM, Nirafelos wrote:



As one of millions and millions of ants, no more surprising or deserving of notice than any other.




Yep.  There's no longer a 'direct line' of any sort between people and the gods, not even for divine-power-source characters.  Bahamut wouldn't even know your guy existed.

A warlock is someone who has gained magical power from another source. That is all.  Even the pacts that explicitly state where the power is coming from can be refluffed in any way you want to.




You can even refluff the pacts out entirely.

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4 months ago  ::  Jan 21, 2013 - 9:52PM #4
Neutronium_Dragon
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  And people can end up with "pacts" without ever having agreed to anything. (Fey are the most likely to grant power to someone on a whim, but it can happen with some of the others too.)

  Even sticking to the default fluff in all ways possible, there's nothing particularly villainous about the vestige pact, and the White Well pact has an element of nobility about it, to the point that it might actually be seen as a worthy cause under Bahamut's doctrines.
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4 months ago  ::  Jan 22, 2013 - 9:30AM #5
wildside316
Date Joined: Dec 11, 2012
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I'm loving this game more and more Cool .

On a side note to warlocks; PHB1 has them only wearing cloth and leather, whereas Heroes of the Forgotten Kingdoms has them all the way up to chain. Which is it?
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4 months ago  ::  Jan 22, 2013 - 11:11AM #6
MalakLightfoot
Date Joined: Sep 19, 2007
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Jan 22, 2013 -- 9:30AM, wildside316 wrote:

I'm loving this game more and more  .

On a side note to warlocks; PHB1 has them only wearing cloth and leather, whereas Heroes of the Forgotten Kingdoms has them all the way up to chain. Which is it?




Hexblades are intended to mix it up in melee, so they need a little extra oomph in the armor department.

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4 months ago  ::  Jan 22, 2013 - 11:52AM #7
Neutronium_Dragon
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 PHB warlocks might also take Armor Proficiency: Chainmail if they're dumping Int (which most often occurs with Star Pact warlocks).
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4 months ago  ::  Jan 22, 2013 - 12:27PM #8
wildside316
Date Joined: Dec 11, 2012
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Jan 21, 2013 -- 9:52PM, Neutronium_Dragon wrote:

  And people can end up with "pacts" without ever having agreed to anything. (Fey are the most likely to grant power to someone on a whim, but it can happen with some of the others too.)

  Even sticking to the default fluff in all ways possible, there's nothing particularly villainous about the vestige pact, and the White Well pact has an element of nobility about it, to the point that it might actually be seen as a worthy cause under Bahamut's doctrines.




Where can I find info on the White Well Pact? I tried looking in the DDI Character Creator, but I couldn't find it.

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4 months ago  ::  Jan 22, 2013 - 12:51PM #9
Neutronium_Dragon
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The White Well pact is described under the Hexblade variant of the warlock and the associated Dragon article ( www.wizards.com/dnd/Article.aspx?x=dnd/d... ). For the PHB warlock it would use the existing Fey pact with a focus on radiant powers rather than cold ones.

  Essentially, there are several different versions of the Fey pact depending on the specific patron. Two of the common ones are the Prince of Frost (cold) and the White Well (radiant). The Hexblade warlock explicitly separates them into separate builds/powers, while the PHB warlock's Fey pact is a catch-all.
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4 months ago  ::  Jan 22, 2013 - 2:19PM #10
wildside316
Date Joined: Dec 11, 2012
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Jan 22, 2013 -- 12:51PM, Neutronium_Dragon wrote:

The White Well pact is described under the Hexblade variant of the warlock and the associated Dragon article ( www.wizards.com/dnd/Article.aspx?x=dnd/d... ). For the PHB warlock it would use the existing Fey pact with a focus on radiant powers rather than cold ones. Essentially, there are several different versions of the Fey pact depending on the specific patron. Two of the common ones are the Prince of Frost (cold) and the White Well (radiant). The Hexblade warlock explicitly separates them into separate builds/powers, while the PHB warlock's Fey pact is a catch-all.




Even more intriguing; an obsidian-skinned tiefling winning the favor, and even the heart, of the creamy white Lady of the White Well Smile.

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