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4 months ago  ::  Jan 27, 2013 - 10:25PM #141
Verdegris_Sage
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Jan 27, 2013 -- 9:30PM, zago wrote:

I like the haflings...

Why don't you guys pick on a fictional being your own size?



Because all the other fictional beings have concept art we can almost take seriously.Laughing

I have an answer for you, it may even be the truth.
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4 months ago  ::  Jan 27, 2013 - 10:31PM #142
Molecule
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Jan 27, 2013 -- 9:00PM, The_Jester wrote:

Different species means you can get away with shifting the proportions a little and not having and intelligence penalty.




Err, I'm saying if you don't shift the proportions at all, and you don't need an intelligence penalty.  Dolphins are (probably) smarter than blue whales, despite having much smaller brains.  Humans are (probably) smarter than elephants, despite having much smaller brains.  In other words, brain size is positively correlated with intelligence within the same species, but a lot less so between different species.

Magic is a way to make the world special. It's not a crutch to justify silliness or bad science. When evoking "magic" there should be a reason, the magic should have a purpose and not just justifying quirks of the mechanics, laziness, or mistakes. 




That was a joke.  :P

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4 months ago  ::  Jan 27, 2013 - 10:35PM #143
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Brain size... pixie around the size of a peanut ... intelligence atleast moderate if not high .. forget your science for this one dudes, fantasy rules.

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4 months ago  ::  Jan 27, 2013 - 10:55PM #144
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Jan 27, 2013 -- 10:35PM, Garthanos wrote:

Brain size... pixie around the size of a peanut ... intelligence atleast moderate if not high .. forget your science for this one dudes, fantasy rules.


To be fair, Pixies avert that problem because they're inherently magical creatures. Halflings, on the other hand, are completely mundane creatures, just like Humans, so they have to make a bit more sense.

Why, yes, as a matter of fact I am the Unfailing Arbiter of All That Is Good Design (Even More So Than The Actual Developers) TM

Speaking of things that were badly designed, please check out this thread for my Minotaur fix. What have the critics said, you ask?
"If any of my players ask to play a Minotaur, I'm definitely offering this as an alternative to the official version." - EmpactWB
"If I ever feel like playing a Minotaur I'll know where to look!" - Undrave
"WoTC if you are reading this - please take this guy's advice." - Ferol_Debtor_of_Torm
"Really full of win. A minotaur that is actually attractive for more than just melee classes." - Cpt_Micha

Also, check out my recent GENASI variant! If you've ever wished that your Fire Genasi could actually set stuff on fire, your Water Genasi could actually swim, or your Wind Genasi could at least glide, then look no further.

Finally, check out my OPTIONS FOR EVERYONE article, an effort to give unique support to the races that WotC keeps forgetting about. Includes new racial feature options for the Changeling, Deva, Githzerai, Gnoll, Gnome, Goliath, Half-Orc, Kalashtar, Minotaur, Shadar-Kai, Thri-Kreen, Warforged and more!
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4 months ago  ::  Jan 27, 2013 - 11:00PM #145
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Jan 27, 2013 -- 10:55PM, Crimson_Concerto wrote:

Jan 27, 2013 -- 10:35PM, Garthanos wrote:

Brain size... pixie around the size of a peanut ... intelligence atleast moderate if not high .. forget your science for this one dudes, fantasy rules.


To be fair, Pixies avert that problem because they're inherently magical creatures. Halflings, on the other hand, are completely mundane creatures, just like Humans, so they have to make a bit more sense.



And having them built like toddlers is how you deal with it?  Also, I take exception with them being 3ft tall.  That's the size of a 4 year old.  Remember 3.x's 'small weapon' debacle?  You want to bring that back?

Jan 27, 2013 -- 9:30PM, zago wrote:

I like the haflings...

Why don't you guys pick on a fictional being your own size?



...uh...  ...Um...  I am...

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4 months ago  ::  Jan 27, 2013 - 11:13PM #146
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Jan 27, 2013 -- 11:00PM, CVB wrote:

And having them built like toddlers is how you deal with it?


I've yet to see any answer that's both as good, makes as much sense, and fits the Halfling's theme so well.

Remember 3.x's 'small weapon' debacle?


What debacle?

Why, yes, as a matter of fact I am the Unfailing Arbiter of All That Is Good Design (Even More So Than The Actual Developers) TM

Speaking of things that were badly designed, please check out this thread for my Minotaur fix. What have the critics said, you ask?
"If any of my players ask to play a Minotaur, I'm definitely offering this as an alternative to the official version." - EmpactWB
"If I ever feel like playing a Minotaur I'll know where to look!" - Undrave
"WoTC if you are reading this - please take this guy's advice." - Ferol_Debtor_of_Torm
"Really full of win. A minotaur that is actually attractive for more than just melee classes." - Cpt_Micha

Also, check out my recent GENASI variant! If you've ever wished that your Fire Genasi could actually set stuff on fire, your Water Genasi could actually swim, or your Wind Genasi could at least glide, then look no further.

Finally, check out my OPTIONS FOR EVERYONE article, an effort to give unique support to the races that WotC keeps forgetting about. Includes new racial feature options for the Changeling, Deva, Githzerai, Gnoll, Gnome, Goliath, Half-Orc, Kalashtar, Minotaur, Shadar-Kai, Thri-Kreen, Warforged and more!
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4 months ago  ::  Jan 27, 2013 - 11:16PM #147
anjelika
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Jan 27, 2013 -- 11:13PM, Crimson_Concerto wrote:

Jan 27, 2013 -- 11:00PM, CVB wrote:

And having them built like toddlers is how you deal with it?


I've yet to see any answer that's both as good, makes as much sense, and fits the Halfling's theme so well.




...I have to ask...do you actually play halflings?  I'm having a lot of trouble imagining someone who enjoys playing proper halflings thinking that making them into (effectively) toddlers is a great way to fit their theme.  Not saying it isn't possible of course.

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4 months ago  ::  Jan 27, 2013 - 11:19PM #148
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Jan 27, 2013 -- 11:16PM, anjelika wrote:

...I have to ask...do you actually play halflings?


I've only played one, a Rogue, but I enjoyed her immensely. In fact, I've included her as a prominent NPC in games that I've DMed for other groups, and she's always a hit.

I'm having a lot of trouble imagining someone who enjoys playing proper halflings thinking that making them into (effectively) toddlers is a great way to fit their theme. Not saying it isn't possible of course.


Let's watch how we use that word. We don't want to get into any "No True Scotsman" arguments.

Why, yes, as a matter of fact I am the Unfailing Arbiter of All That Is Good Design (Even More So Than The Actual Developers) TM

Speaking of things that were badly designed, please check out this thread for my Minotaur fix. What have the critics said, you ask?
"If any of my players ask to play a Minotaur, I'm definitely offering this as an alternative to the official version." - EmpactWB
"If I ever feel like playing a Minotaur I'll know where to look!" - Undrave
"WoTC if you are reading this - please take this guy's advice." - Ferol_Debtor_of_Torm
"Really full of win. A minotaur that is actually attractive for more than just melee classes." - Cpt_Micha

Also, check out my recent GENASI variant! If you've ever wished that your Fire Genasi could actually set stuff on fire, your Water Genasi could actually swim, or your Wind Genasi could at least glide, then look no further.

Finally, check out my OPTIONS FOR EVERYONE article, an effort to give unique support to the races that WotC keeps forgetting about. Includes new racial feature options for the Changeling, Deva, Githzerai, Gnoll, Gnome, Goliath, Half-Orc, Kalashtar, Minotaur, Shadar-Kai, Thri-Kreen, Warforged and more!
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4 months ago  ::  Jan 27, 2013 - 11:23PM #149
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Jan 27, 2013 -- 11:19PM, Crimson_Concerto wrote:

Let's watch how we use that word. We don't want to get into any "No True Scotsman" arguments.




*laugh*

Fair enough.  Wasn't the angle I was taking, meant more like 'a halfling as a serious character' instead of an intentional joke character was all.

Thank you.

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4 months ago  ::  Jan 27, 2013 - 11:33PM #150
Crimson_Concerto
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Jan 27, 2013 -- 11:23PM, anjelika wrote:

Wasn't the angle I was taking, meant more like 'a halfling as a serious character' instead of an intentional joke character was all.


Oh, she's a serious character. She has a tragic, revenge-driven back-story with a bit of a grim resolution, and she's so charismatic and politically calculating that she took over 98% of seafaring pirate organizations on the planet and turned them around into a single recognized oceanic nation, now the wealthiest nation on her planet due to their ludicrous profits from trade. There's very little silly about her.

Why, yes, as a matter of fact I am the Unfailing Arbiter of All That Is Good Design (Even More So Than The Actual Developers) TM

Speaking of things that were badly designed, please check out this thread for my Minotaur fix. What have the critics said, you ask?
"If any of my players ask to play a Minotaur, I'm definitely offering this as an alternative to the official version." - EmpactWB
"If I ever feel like playing a Minotaur I'll know where to look!" - Undrave
"WoTC if you are reading this - please take this guy's advice." - Ferol_Debtor_of_Torm
"Really full of win. A minotaur that is actually attractive for more than just melee classes." - Cpt_Micha

Also, check out my recent GENASI variant! If you've ever wished that your Fire Genasi could actually set stuff on fire, your Water Genasi could actually swim, or your Wind Genasi could at least glide, then look no further.

Finally, check out my OPTIONS FOR EVERYONE article, an effort to give unique support to the races that WotC keeps forgetting about. Includes new racial feature options for the Changeling, Deva, Githzerai, Gnoll, Gnome, Goliath, Half-Orc, Kalashtar, Minotaur, Shadar-Kai, Thri-Kreen, Warforged and more!
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